I recently picked up this piece and have been searching for information on it. The movement is an 18S, 17J, with SN 3543710. I have a Father Time movement, but not one with a wind indicator. Will putting this movememt in this case greatly increase the value of this piece?

Outer/Inner box

Gimbaled watch

Dial

Bottom side

hi Ken . I wouldn't think it would add all that much to the value. I think most of the ones I've seen of this type without U/D indicators were 19j BW Raymonds The indicators were all free sprung 21 jewel and most if not all were Father Times and I've appended a few examples for you

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...6044861/m/873106091?

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...243995867#1243995867

Elgin B.W.Raymond Chronometer Deck Watch Mahogany Boxed ca 1905
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The movement # 3543710 comes up :18s 11j pendant set.
Looks like someone already replaced the B. W. Raymond movement.

Steve

Any idea of a relative value?

hi Ken; well first I believe that you have the inner and outer Elgin boxes and they are beautifully made and probably worth $500- $600 by themselves to the right person. I sold my last Elgin free sprung to one of the members ,Andy,who resold it. I would think he has a pretty good idea what they will bring WITH the free sprung u/d indicator Father Time movement,mind you it did not have I believe the top lid of the inner box,nor did it have the outer box

here's one complete with both boxes and the Father Time free sprung movement


18 Elgin Father Time 21 Jewel Free SPrung Wind Indicator Gimbal Box Chronometer

[Buy It Now: $1,999.99]

DOCUMENTATION FOUND

In going through the box of stuf that I got along with this watch I found a Navy Department Bureau of Ships document from the U.S. Naval Observatory that is the certification and timing record of the deck watch. The most interesting thing is that SN 3543710 is listed on this record.That means that the movement is original to the piece, and not a replacement movement as someone had thought.

an absolutely wonderful document, indisputable evidence that the movement is original to the chronometer . Our opinions are just that,opinions based on our limited knowledge of the subject!!! For the record, I never said there were none like yours ,just that I hadn't seen any , and I have owned a fair number of Elgin gimbaled deck watches. That said , official navy or maritime commission documents trump personal opinions every time,so the document is just a splendid piece of provenance. The document adds to the historical value of the watch as well as adding considerable $$$$ value to it. Being of a lower jewel count I'm assuming it was for the merchant marine as opposed to a warship ,but still for war service

Nice one Ken, wish it were mine

Well Tom, we live and learn eh!...

Up comes a document to prove authenticity, down goes any further discussion as to the same.
Remember the IWC Mk 11 discussion?

gerade überraschend

Tom, how did you meld my two threads together?

Ken, I believe this is above Tom´s abillity to do tricks, it was probably Debbie!

and there I was pointing my gnarled fingers at the monitor and summoning up all the magic I could,and chanting"JOIN THE TWO TOGETHER" over and over but failed miserably. My magic was not powerful enough,and then came along a senior magician who pointed at the screen and said "Poof,you are joined" ,and they instantly were!! AN AWESOME DISPLAY OF A REAL MAGICIAN'S POWERS

You can call me Nostradamus if you like

YOU CONCEITED LITTLE GERMAN MAN,
I WAS TALKING ABOUT DEBBIE =====