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Crystal Regulator

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August 01, 2005, 12:52
Tom Seymour
Crystal Regulator
I acquired this at an auction yesterday. I believe it is an Ansonia "Prism", 1914. It is 10.75 inches tall. I have not cleaned it up yet, but it is in running condition.

The dial has "J B Co" and not Ansonia. I am thinking it is a private label dial. Does anyone have an idea who the J B Co. might be?




Tom
August 01, 2005, 12:53
Tom Seymour
The movement looks to me to be an Ansonia, although there are no marking on it.




Tom
August 01, 2005, 12:54
Tom Seymour
The dial, showing the mystery trademark.




Tom
August 01, 2005, 14:35
J. Bruce Weeks
Looks like a keeper, Tom. Haven't seen that mark before. Would it be listed by Tran somewhere?

Good buy!
August 01, 2005, 19:27
John Arrowood
For what it's worth the dial and the rack and snail being on the back plate look like a New Haven I have.
August 01, 2005, 20:42
Joseph T. Collins
The mainsprings appear to be in cups rather than barrels which is also a New Haven feature. At least I THINK I see screws securing the cups!!

Joe
August 01, 2005, 20:46
Tom Seymour
John,
I looked up the two movements in Tran's books. They are very very close as shown in the picture below.




Tom
August 01, 2005, 20:47
Tom Seymour
Here is a blowup of the movement picture of mine. It matches the Ansonia movement, although, as I have said, there are no markings on it.




Tom
August 01, 2005, 20:55
Tom Seymour
Yes John, you have good eyes!!! The springs are in cups rather than barrels. Any additional thoughts on it would be appreciated. Thanks for comments, it sent me running to my books.

Does your New Haven movemnt look like the one in the picture above?


Tom
August 01, 2005, 21:09
Joseph T. Collins
Tom,

On closer inspection I can see that the rack has a counterweight to drop it against the snail. The New Haven I worked on had a spring to do this. As I recall the spring was a pain to connect. Can I change my vote to Ansonia? Smile Wink

Joe
August 01, 2005, 21:18
Dave Freeman
Tom,
here's a picture of the movement in my Ansonia Crystal Regulator which also has a visible ecsapement. My clock is dated 1916.




Dave Freeman
IHC Member 321
August 01, 2005, 21:21
Dave Freeman
Here's the dial on mine.




Dave Freeman
IHC Member 321
August 01, 2005, 21:31
Tom Seymour
Thanks Dave. I am sure, now we mine is an Ansonia with a private label on the dial. Thanks for posting the pictures.

Joe, It was a good thing you marked that ballot in pencil! Something we all have to do!


Tom
August 01, 2005, 21:36
Grant Perry
Tom:
Great find, and the dial looks perfect! Did you have much competition at the auction?
gp


Grant Perry
August 01, 2005, 21:48
Kevin Pestor
Nice clock Tom, i like those open escapement clocks.Perhaps a future clock for me to collect.
August 01, 2005, 22:55
"Curly" Sjolander
Tom, How about Jennings Bros., The had alot of smaller novelty clocks with their name on them, but I have never seen a crystal regulator by them, but that doesn't mean much, something new every day.......

Curly
August 01, 2005, 23:57
Tom Seymour
Grant,
There was a good deal of spirited bidding. Lots of clock/watch people there. It was well advertised.

Curly,
That sounds as good as anything I have come up with. Hopefully someone will have seen the trade mark somewhere before.

Kevin, these are very nice clocks. I have a few with open escapements, they are always a nice touch.


Tom
August 03, 2005, 16:52
Andy Krietzer
Tom,
I have a very similar clock to this, without the open escapement on the dial. It must be the New Haven one, as the movement matches the one in the b/w picture for NH. There is no marking on it anywhere except it does say New Haven on the dial, but that is covered by the outer ring so you can't see it. I thought maybe someone changed the dial, but now I suppose it is original. It came with an old key that has Kroeber on it, so I thought maybe the clock was by Kroeber. I have had it for a long time, and I know they are making new Kroeber keys now, but I'm sure mine is old. I'll put some pictures on here when I can get them developed and scanned.

Andy
August 04, 2005, 00:30
Tom Seymour
Looking forward to those pictures Andy.


Tom
August 20, 2005, 15:53
Andy Krietzer
Finally got the pictures taken and scanned. I believe this is a New Haven. Not sure if you can see the key has Kroeber on it.

Andy

NewHavenFront.jpg

August 20, 2005, 15:55
Andy Krietzer
Rear


August 20, 2005, 15:56
Andy Krietzer
Movement.

New Haven Movement

August 20, 2005, 23:37
Tom Seymour
Andy,
That is a very nice clock. The movement does look like a New Haven. I will have to do some exploring in the book to see if I can track down the model.

How tall is it?


Tom
August 21, 2005, 09:10
Kevin Pestor
Nice clock Andy.I like the glass around it and you can see the workings of the clock.I really like the pendulums in these also.
August 21, 2005, 14:38
Andy Krietzer
I'm not home now, but I think it is roughly 10" or 11" tall. I also have a similar Seth Thomas one that is rough. I should probably sell it. Someone robbed the fancy nuts from off the pendulum. Do you know where I could get them? I thought about buying a new mercury pendulum just to see if they were the same. They would probably work, but the threads might be different. I'll have to dig it out and take pictures of it too.

Andy
December 10, 2006, 09:36
Sheila Gilbert
Hi Tom,
There is a JB Co in New York named Joseph Bennett? Their trademark is listed in a 1915 book I have, but I can't see yours good enough to tell if they are the same.

It also states that they are out of business in the 1915 book, so it may be considered if yours is that old, and there is also a Jacobson Bros. listed too, so maybe a larger trademark would help.
Sheila


Sheila
December 10, 2006, 20:48
Tom Seymour
Sheila,
Here is a close up of the lettering on the dial.
Hopefully this will match something someone else has seen.




Tom
December 11, 2006, 03:05
Sheila Gilbert
In Ehrhardt's book, it's listed in the clock section as,

Jennings Brothers. Mfg. Co.
Bridgeport, Co.

JBCp



Sheila
December 11, 2006, 08:49
Tom Seymour
Thanks Sheila. Which of Erhardt's books did you find that in?


Tom
December 11, 2006, 10:45
Sheila Gilbert
The Trademark is on page 82 of Ehrhardt's book.

"Trademarks, Watch Cases, Pocket Watches, Precious Stones, Diamonds"


Sheila
December 11, 2006, 11:15
Tom Seymour
Thanks Sheila. That is one book I don't have.
But...Christmas is coming.... Big Grin


Tom
January 28, 2012, 16:39
William N. McCormick
Hello - J B Co was a retailer located in Bridgeport, Connecticut near around 1910 and perhaps a little later. Jennings Brothers Company produced a multitude of clocks all with movements made by local manufacturers. Usually their clocks had their name stamped on the bottom of the case "JBC". Hope this helps! Bill


William N. McCormick