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Movement ID Please

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September 21, 2009, 12:42
Christian E. Galdames
Movement ID Please
Can anyone identify this movement?

Thanks in advance

Movement.



IHC Member 1193
September 23, 2009, 21:52
William Thomas
As it is in an American type case (no detent screw visible) and is a private label it is very likely a Longines. We would have to see the dial side of movement to be sure.
September 24, 2009, 15:48
Gerald Zimmermann
I would agree with William. It looks very 'longinish'.
To identify a movement you need the diameter and the 'dial view'. Often the shape and finisch of the 'bridges' and 'plates' changes but the set and wind mechanism on the dial plate is unchanged and allows a better identification.

Regards,
Gerald
September 24, 2009, 15:56
Christian E. Galdames
Thank you Gentlemen for the information. As soon as the watch arrives, I'll post pictures on the dial side.

Regards


IHC Member 1193
September 24, 2009, 18:33
Jerry King
Hey Christian, here's a little info on the private lable on the movement, Marcus & Co. New York....

Marcus & Co.
from the Antique Jewelry University
MARCUS & CO. (1892 - 1962)
American jeweler best known for its Art Nouveau jewelry and silver. In 1892, when Herman Marcus and his son William opened Marcus & Company at 857 Broadway, New York, Herman Marcus was already well known and respected by the New York City jewelry community. Born and raised in Germany, he had moved to the city in 1850; his knowledge of European trends and previous experience at Ellemeyer, court jewelers of Dresden, won him jobs at Ball, Black, and Co. as well as Tiffany and Company.[1] He was also a partner in the prestigious firm Starr and Marcus before going into business with his son. In 1900, the firm exhibited beautiful orchid-motif brooches, featuring plique-à-jour enameling, at Paris’s International Exhibition. The pieces were clearly inspired by René Lalique.[2] The firm’s designs were of high quality, even if a bit crude by French standards, and are still among the best examples of American Art Nouveau and Arts and Crafts jewelry.[3] Marcus and Company continued to attract high profile clientele throughout the twentieth century, including John D. Rockefeller. The firm closed for a brief time during World War II. In 1962, it merged with Black, Starr, and Frost.

Regards,

Jerry
September 24, 2009, 19:37
Christian E. Galdames
Thank you for taking the time to get this information and sharing it here. From the looks of tings, this watch might turn out to be a nice find. Big Grin

Regards


IHC Member 1193
September 24, 2009, 20:30
William Thomas
I have identified the movement as Longines caliber 13.56N. It is 13 lignes or about 0 size, as the case would indicate. Movement is shown on page 265 of Paulson 1950 Swiss catalog. I went through my Longines junk movement cabinet at work and found several partial movements with this barrel bridge and private label marking. I would surmise this was a successful caliber for export and sale to retail jewelers.
September 24, 2009, 20:34
William Thomas
BTW now that I'm certain of the movement don't trouble to remove the dial, but still it would be nice to see the dial side view of the complete watch. Marcus & Co is a good find. Obviously they were familiar with the Wittnauer & Co agency!
September 25, 2009, 08:22
Christian E. Galdames
Thank you very much William for the effort in putting all this information together. I am very glad to find out that this movement indeed is a Longines and will probably be worth restoring this watch to it's former glory.
As for the pictures, I will still take them including those of the movement's dial side.

Thanks again my friend

Regards


IHC Member 1193
September 25, 2009, 08:50
Tom Brown
quote:
MARCUS & CO.

Thought I would post a photo of Mr. Marcus & his obit, it is from October 1899.

obit

September 25, 2009, 09:59
Christian E. Galdames
Was wondering when you would show up with one of your interesting facts. Big Grin

Thank you much.

Regards


IHC Member 1193
September 25, 2009, 10:10
Christian E. Galdames
Here is a picture of the dial, front of watch.



IHC Member 1193
October 02, 2009, 08:33
Christian E. Galdames
Here are some pictures I took of the dial side of the movement along with some others.

Regards







IHC Member 1193
October 05, 2009, 10:27
Christian E. Galdames
Hi William. Is there anyway you could upload a scan of the page you mentioned above.
Many thanks.


IHC Member 1193
October 05, 2009, 12:27
Richard M. Jones
I am not a wristwatch collector but I also feel strongly it is a Longines, and very nice. Thanks for showing it Christian.


Deacon
October 05, 2009, 13:02
Christian E. Galdames
Thanks Richard and Happy 63rd to you. I too think it is a Longines, but it is very hard to try and find out what caliber it is. Sent an Email to longines to try and find some answers. Will post any info here.

Regards


IHC Member 1193