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Hamilton 992 Engineer Corps Database


During WW1 the US Army built their own railroad in France. Upon completion the Army Corp of Engineers operated the railroad from train movements to actual running the trains. This was done to deliver the war supplies needed to support the front line troops. The Corp of Engineers used American railroad practices and placed an order with Hamilton for 1000 watches. The 992 was selected in plain nickeloid alloy cases. The movements were taken from existing stock rather than to make up a single production run for the order.

All of the dials on this 1000 order were DSD's with the red 5 minute track. They were all signed "Hamilton- Engineer Corps U.S.A." above the center post. These dials were numbered 1 thru 1000 below the center post.
(Courtesy of Buster Beck)


John Flahive's Serial Number Table:

Movement S/N____Dial S/N_______Case Material_______________Case Maker________Case S/N

2,492,063_________13__________Rose GF Plain
_________________28__________Dial only
1,296,708_________48__________Silverode
1,217,058_________68
1,274,827_________78__________GF extra screw marks
1,295,341_________96__________Silveroid
1,302,267_________104_________YGF
1,302,255_________199_________WGF Hamilton BOC
1,296,875_________370_________YGF French Bow_____________B&B Royal_________6997551
1,295,642_________383_________Oresilver #1_______________ Fahys____________6659235
1,298,327_________395_________Silverode__________________Philadelphia_______ 599042
1,302,067_________396_________Nickel Silver_______________ Sturdy____________4500813
1,296,463_________404_________WGF Rigid Bow_____________ Fahys____________ 460703
1,307,338_________435_________Silverode
1,296,250_________437_________Silverode__________________Philadelphia________599130
1,295,717_________469_________Silverode__________________Philadelphia________596397
1,302,077_________483_________Nickel
1,298,351_________503_________Base metal________________ Defiance__________ 7649489
_________________559_________No movement or case info
1,302,015_________575_________Hamilton Display case
1,298,582_________601_________Oresilver Plain
1,298,282_________674_________Oresilver
1,368,949_________698
1,677,084_________711_________Silverode__________________Philadelphia________125885
_________________737_________No movement or case info
1,308,484_________801_________Oresilver__________________Fahys_____________6663393
1,307,154_________803_________Yellow GF
1,307,305_________805_________Oresilver__________________Fahys_____________6663261
1,298,872_________819_________Oresilver__________________Fahys_____________6663315
1,298,762_________820_________Oresilver Plain
1,554,458_________823_________GF 25 yr__________________Monitor____________4616950
1,163,624_________853_________YGF
1,311,375_________892_________10K GF
1,311,237_________921_________Oresilver__________________Fahys_____________6662198
1,311,471_________934_________Oresilver
2,367,538_________942
1,307,341_________946_________Oresilver__________________Fahys_____________6659205
1,307,946_________960_________YGF Plain
1,307,535_________982________No Case info



Total Confirmed Examples = 39
 
Posts: 6719 | Location: Southwestern Pennsylvania, USA | Registered: April 19, 2004
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Wow, thanks for sharing this! This is really interesting and important information. I wish I had one of these in my collection.

Jim
 
Posts: 847 | Location: Baltimore, Maryland USA | Registered: September 20, 2004
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Mine has the No.395 on the dial Wink


My WWW collection is now complete, time to look for new ventures!
 
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Here is the record from Hamilton Watch Co. of the original order for these watches for General Pershing's forces and their final disposition;

regards,
bb

 
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Nice piece of research Buster. These watches sold for $22 back in the day, which is interesting when you look at today's value of a couple of grand, give or take. But when you remember that $20 in 1918 was a big gold coin that is now worth about $2000 give or take, it seems the value has kept pace! Wink


Best Regards,

Ed
 
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Here is an original Hamilton ad from 1919 in the National Geographic about the 992 watches used in the railroad in France in WWI.

 
Posts: 1750 | Location: Wisconsin in the USA | Registered: October 17, 2005
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I've updated the Hamilton 992 Engineer Corps Database with two more watches that I purchased in 2013: #575 and #805. I've also added #982, which I found referenced on-line.

This brings the total documented number of examples up to 39 out of 1000 produced.

John III
 
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Is that yours Edward?

Regards,
Larry
 
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I wish!

[Movement number: 1368949]

 
Posts: 1489 | Location: New York State in the USA | Registered: March 04, 2008
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Thank you for highlighting this watch... and refreshing this thread. I love this kind of stuff, even if it is a bit out of reach at the moment.
 
Posts: 2131 | Location: San Diego, California in the USA | Registered: August 30, 2012
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Sold for $921.00

That seems like a really reasonable price for the condition and tangible history associated with this watch.

I understand a watch is worth what a buyer is willing to pay... but realistically... was this number high or low for the watch? Opinions?
 
Posts: 2131 | Location: San Diego, California in the USA | Registered: August 30, 2012
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Not sure, but I stopped watching it after $500.
 
Posts: 1489 | Location: New York State in the USA | Registered: March 04, 2008
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Paul,

I think this was a very fair price as this watch was all original. I was the highest bidder until I got sniped at the end.

Not too many of these around so I think the price will keep going up.

John III
 
Posts: 1750 | Location: Wisconsin in the USA | Registered: October 17, 2005
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John, you are right about these watches. The survivors will only go up in price.
I am looking for a gimbaled/boxed Hamilton model 22, so my price was set very low for monetary reasons.
 
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Ed,

I'm in the hunt for a gimbaled Model 22 also. There is one at my local antique store, but he isn't sure if he wants to sell it. Confused

John III
 
Posts: 1750 | Location: Wisconsin in the USA | Registered: October 17, 2005
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John, not to many fair priced ones on the bay lately.
I would keep working on the one in the antique store. Why is he in business if not to sell and make money?
 
Posts: 1489 | Location: New York State in the USA | Registered: March 04, 2008
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Hamilton 22j Army Corps of Engineers 1916 992


#895.....dial only for database, movement is a 4992B, case much later.

Not mine.

 
Posts: 84 | Location: Plano, Texas in the USA | Registered: July 28, 2013
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That was an expensive dial...... Eek

[Sold for:US $1,000.00
Best offer accepted]

[Movement number: 4C22196]

 
Posts: 175 | Location: Boston, Massachusetts in the USA | Registered: June 13, 2011
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Mine

992 on a 992 serial # 1311212

 
Posts: 84 | Location: Plano, Texas in the USA | Registered: July 28, 2013
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I picked up my fifth Hamilton Engineer Corps 992 this weekend. Number 690 came with a Hamilton swing out gold filled case so I swapped it for a Hamilton display case. Serial number is 1298477, which is in line with other known examples.

So far I have documented 43 examples of this rare watch.

 
Posts: 1750 | Location: Wisconsin in the USA | Registered: October 17, 2005
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That is a nice watch and great info on it's history .
 
Posts: 1510 | Location: Maryland in the USA | Registered: June 04, 2015
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Thought you might like to see this Corps of Engineers #438 992 which I will be posting on eBay soon. From the estate of the original military owner who carried it in WWII. Never before offered for sale. In a Wadsworth "Railroad Model" 14k Gold Filled "Quality" case numbered 6726656. Running nicely.

Corps 438
 
Posts: 4 | Location: Vermont in the USA | Registered: August 21, 2016
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Movement is #1302216. Finished in May of 1918.

1302216
 
Posts: 4 | Location: Vermont in the USA | Registered: August 21, 2016
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Case is a Wadworth 14K Gold Filled "Wadworth Quality Railroad Model" number 6726656

 
Posts: 4 | Location: Vermont in the USA | Registered: August 21, 2016
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Give us a "link" when you put it up for sale , I am sure someone here would like a shot at it
 
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Royal has just become an IHC185 Member!

 
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Welcome Royal.....


"It's like deja vu all over again..."
 
Posts: 883 | Location: Savannah, Georgia in the USA | Registered: March 14, 2009
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This watch did not come from the factory in a gold filled case. The case has been changed, not unusual as we have seen several over the past years that have been swapped out over the past 98 years !! It should be fairly easy to find an era correct plain, nickel, screw back and bezel case that these watches came in.

You may want to put it in our auction or our for sale forum instead of the other on-line selling venues.

regards,
bb
 
Posts: 6427 | Location: Texas in the USA | Registered: July 27, 2009
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Thanks BB for the sales tip, but I already put it up on "you know where." I hate the place, but it's easy and everybody seems to end up there. First dibs to forum members if you wish to touch base.
 
Posts: 4 | Location: Vermont in the USA | Registered: August 21, 2016
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Here's one up for sale on eBay today

#862 992 SERIAL #1307044 FAHY'S ORESILVER #1 CASE #6659122

 
Posts: 598 | Location: Washington in the USA | Registered: May 23, 2010
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That's a righteous example, but the seller wants a King's Ransom for it ! Maybe he will get it, who knows !!

regards,
bb
 
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