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Is this a Longines?

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November 05, 2007, 23:39
David Abbe
Is this a Longines?
This "Gladstone" watch is missing the Winged Hourglass on thne balance cock, but looks like a near perfect "reversed" "Private Labelled" Longines L20B. (Extra bridge for the escapement wheel on this chap.)
I need an expert opinion. Please comment


November 05, 2007, 23:40
David Abbe
It looks like the "flip side" of my Longines L20 excepting the Escapment bridging.


November 06, 2007, 18:24
Stephan Gaal
I see a few more differences than just that. There is the key guard with 2 screws that the Longines does not have. On the Longines the main spring ratchet wheel breaks out on the side of the bridge casting but on the other it does not. On the Longines there is only 1 main bridge but the other appears to have a seperate one for the 3rd and 4th wheel. Something else must be different to make the space to fit that extra bridge in.
November 07, 2007, 04:18
Ray Hallenbeck
Hello David,
If you send an email to Museum@longines.com they may be able to help you. They helped me identify a watch in my collection and acyually sent me copies of the original sales ledger information.
Hope this helps.
Ray
November 07, 2007, 16:55
David Abbe
Ray Thank You very much, I will do that. Also I am adding another signed Longines with the same type "extra bridge" movement that I have and it is beautiful. I love these watches.


November 07, 2007, 17:25
David Abbe
I hesitated to add this earlier because it is a smaller size movement, buit the plate designs are much more like the "Gladstone", than my "Arizona" Longines is which is a L20B.
The signed case is a beauty on this one too.


November 07, 2007, 17:25
David Abbe
Another view of the case


November 07, 2007, 17:26
David Abbe
more


November 08, 2007, 04:19
Ray Hallenbeck
David, Your welcome. I too like these watches and I will scan an old Longines Chronograph that I was lucky to find a long time ago. I will try and get some pics this week.
Ray
November 12, 2007, 17:44
Stephan Gaal
I have 2 18 size private label Longines L20 watches. The open faced one 284214 is marked Aurora Ill and the hunter cased version 261618 is marked Eastern Watch Co. Neither mentions the name Longines but both have the winged hourglass on the balance cock.
November 12, 2007, 23:08
Ray Hallenbeck
David,
Sorry I dont have the pictures yet but my daughter has taken my digital camera to use and I am still waiting to get it back.
Anyway, My watch is a caliber 20H, lugrins patent chronograph with serial # 181,271. It was invoiced on May 28, 1881 to J.E.Robert in New York who were Longines agents in the US. The cost, a whopping 19.70 (US dollars I think). This information was taken from the original Longines record books. The watch is original in it's original silver longines case.
Ray
November 14, 2007, 19:36
Stephan Gaal
David, This is from my junk box and appears to be an exact mirror of your smaller Longines save the different plate material.