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What is this?

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June 15, 2013, 21:21
Lorne Wasylishen
What is this?
I want to put this on ebay but have no idea how to describe it. Any help as to it's identity will be appreciated.

It needs a key, balance does not move freely. Dial is about 35 mm.
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June 15, 2013, 21:22
Lorne Wasylishen
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June 15, 2013, 21:23
Lorne Wasylishen
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Lorne Wasylishen
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June 15, 2013, 21:24
Lorne Wasylishen
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Lorne Wasylishen
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June 15, 2013, 21:25
Lorne Wasylishen
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June 15, 2013, 21:27
Lorne Wasylishen
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June 15, 2013, 22:31
Gerald Zimmermann
Hi Lorne

Let's start it:

English Pocket watch. Case hallmarked Sterling silver, London, 1886.
Will try to find a case maker.

Now some homework for you: remove the dust- ring and check if the watch has a fusee-chain or not, check the escapement pointed-tooth or club-tooth escape wheel ?

Regards
Gerald
June 15, 2013, 22:50
Lorne Wasylishen
Gerald, there is what looks like a really small bicycle chain so I will assume that to be a fusee chain an the wheel has pointed teeth, I will try to get a picture.

Tough to get a pic but this is what i believe to be the chain.


June 15, 2013, 23:09
Lorne Wasylishen
And the escape wheel.


June 15, 2013, 23:48
Lorne Wasylishen
I don't know for sure if this is the right casemaker but as close as I could find. I had first thought it to be L.H but now think it is I.H


June 16, 2013, 00:21
Gerald Zimmermann
The case maker could be the right one.

What we have is a:

Solid silver, smaller size, Victorian key wind English lever fusee chain drive pocket watch.

Case richly engraved and hallmarked for London 1886, sterling silver. Makers marks I.H (John Harris?), J F and C H (Charles Harris) on Pendant

Porcelain dial with black roman numerals and sub seconds at 6 o'clock, no Hairlines, blued steel hands, minute hand broken,

unmarked gilt frosted movement

Edit for additional information:

John Harris makes sense there is a Charles Harris (1879..1890) case maker, Norfolk Street, Coventry

Regards
Gerald
June 16, 2013, 00:27
Lorne Wasylishen
Thank you Gerald, I very much appreciate your input.
August 09, 2013, 21:56
Paul M. Williams
CH could be Charles Horner. But he was from Chester.
August 10, 2013, 07:32
Tom Brunton
the silver hallmark for Chester is three sheaves of wheat,so he is not likely the one, while the leopard's head is the city hallmark for London,but does not neccesarily indicate London manufacture ,just London Assay Office hallmarking Smile
August 10, 2013, 14:21
Richard M. Jones
A very attractive watch! My guess was an English case with a Swiss movement, but I really did not know. Nice that it is English. A lady's watch perhaps?


Deacon
August 10, 2013, 21:09
Greg Crockett
There is no question in my mind, the movement is British made. Unfortunatley, if there is a maker's name on the movement it is most likely to be found under the dial.
August 11, 2013, 00:53
Lorne Wasylishen
I still haven't gotten around to putting this up on ebay. I sold a sheet of postage stamps as a practice sale and that went well enough.

Greg,thanks for the tip about the makers name perhaps being under the dial. I get along well with my watchmaker so he will take it off and have a look for me.
August 11, 2013, 11:41
Tom Brunton
Lorne : I would love to see more pictures of the transit you emailed me a picture of Wink
August 11, 2013, 14:49
Lorne Wasylishen
I don't have any Tom.

It was the header picture of an auction.

I searched with every term I knew and scrolled the lots twice and could not find it.

I then emailed the auction house for more info but they have not gotten back as yet.

The file isn't big enough to read the label, maybe someone here knows it.

And about that Moncton label, the red lettering is what I am unsure of.

Is it TIME TIME. TIME ONLY or something else?