Hi all, new here and I just bought a series V, L size Howard movement. I've been sort of collecting watches for about 10 years, but this is my first Howard.

I was trying to do some research on the movement, and I can't find anything on it. It is a series V lever set stem wound movement. The dial has the 1868 patent information. Everything I've seen says that they didn't make lever set L size movements, and the early key wound movements were sometimes converted and renamed prescott. Mine appears to have originally been a key wind, but is now stem wind.

I can post a link to the completed auction, if allowed, but any help would be greatly appreciated.

Curtis,
Sorry I can't give you any information on your Howard but I am sure someone in the group can...I just want to say welcome aboard..A lot of good watch information for a collector here..Gary

I may be totally off base, but I do believe that Abbott type 2 stem wind conversions were available for Howards. Does your watch have a lever or a toggle?

From the picture it's definitely a lever at approx. the 23 min mark. Stem at 3 o'clock. I had wondered about the Abbott conversion too, but don't know enough about them to know if a lever was ever used with them.

There is some info.on the stem wind in the Complete Guide to Watches page 104
Roger

Hopefully this works...I'm trying to add a pic.

And movement...

Different angle

Here's the under dial. Any ideas?

This Abbott Conversion in the 1895 Otto Young Book is very different. I think you have a "factory" Lever set that is pictured in the Townsend book.

Townsend's book shows Series V "L" size with Pendant Wind and Lever set. So you have a legit example.

Wow, awesome information Mr. Abbe! Thank you for the illustrations, it does appear strikingly similar to plate 48 and the serial falls between plate 47 and 48.

Very exciting to think it could be a factory job. Wish I could find a dial side pic of an example of either a plate 47, or 48 movement.

I understand very few left the factory stem wind, and lever set.

Which Townsend book did you find the information in? I'd really like to source a copy. Also, I found this info on another site: seems to add credit to the argument that this is a legit factory movement.

In 1986 Roy Ehrhardt Published this in 8-1/2 x 11 Book format. Some time after he passed, Roy's daughter sent me this with some of his other personal Library.

A neat little book. Just don't take everything in it as gospel. There are some mistakes.

k

Thanks! Any chance there are parts drawings for L size stem wind lever set parts in pgs 16-30? Sounds like it might be a difficult book to come by.

The book has two pages of Townsend's hand sketches of some of the parts with an adjoining page of typed part numbers and descriptions of the pictured items. This one is an example. I expect it would be the biggest help with sorting out unknown loose parts.

Thanks, it looks like it doesn't show keyless works, or set levers. My hunt is on to find another SW/LS dial side movement pic!