God Morning,Good Sunday,
Why this movement has no serial number?
Thank you,
Bulent

Have you looked under the bridge plates for any numbers? I think the possibility exists that it could be two different models put together.

What size is the movement?

Tom

Size is 16S. Probably grade 152, class 35. On all similar models the serial number is on the train plate.
Under the train plate there is number 36502 stamped.
Bulent

Is the same number stamped on the other parts & under the dial?

Tom

Strange indeed as it appears that the damaskeening is a match on both plates

Movment has no dial.
Number on the main plate is same.
Number on the barrel bridge is different.

Bulent

Bulent, I would have to guess then that the serial number of the original dial plate & train bridge was written on the original barrel bridge.

I have seen Illinois watches put together from different bridges so there is no exposed serial number.

Tom

Thank you Tom.

Bulent

Bulent, hey guy how're you doing....

I don't think it is a Grade 152....here are all the 152 movement serial numbers and none fit....with the last five digits being 36502....

6503001 6503001 1000 1895 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
6551001 6551001 1000 1896 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
6597001 6597001 1000 1896 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
6696001 6696001 1000 1896 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
6734001 6734001 1000 1896 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
6816001 6816001 1000 1896 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
6883001 6883001 1000 1896 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
6974001 6974001 1000 1896 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
6992001 6992001 1000 1896 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7028001 7028001 1000 1897 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7073001 7073001 1000 1897 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7230001 7230001 1000 1897 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7254001 7254001 1000 1897 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7277001 7277001 1000 1897 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7322001 7322001 1000 1897 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7408001 7408001 1000 1897 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7525001 7525001 1000 1897 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7574001 7574001 2000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7626001 7626001 4000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7683001 7683001 1000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7774001 7774001 1000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7830001 7830001 2000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
7876001 7876001 1000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
8003001 8003001 2000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
8042001 8042001 1000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
8080001 8080001 2000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
8178001 8178001 1000 1899 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
8225001 8225001 1000 1899 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
8697001 8697001 2000 1899 152 16s h3n6p 15j e
last run of grade 152
Tom, if the barrel plate was used from another movement then that means that there were two that didn't have a serial number...

I agree with Ray in that the damaskeening does look like a match from plate to plate....

Regards,

Jerry

Thank you Jerry.

bulent

Bulent, this one comes pretty close to looking like yours....and is a grade 313 and will fit in the serial number sequence....this is one of the 278 runs made of the 313:
17036001 17036001 2000 1912 313 16s o3n7p 15j e

Regards,

Jerry

Bulent, on yours I notice that the USA is not under the "Elgin Nat'l Watch Co." like most are....I thought that to be odd also....

Let see what others think....

Regards,

Jerry

Don't know if this helps. I have a serial number list that goes up to the year 1900 or approx # 12,000,000

Looking through it the ones that show up as possible with 15 jewels are

3336502 grade 4 class 24 3/4 hunting nickel 3rd model lever

9236502 grade 247 class 93 3/4 hunting nickel 6th model pendent

9836502 grade 220 class 92 3/4 hunting nickel model 6 pendant

11536502 grade 305 class 107 3/4 hunting nickel 6th model pendant.

Is your pendant of lever set, hunting or open.

What are the numbers under the barrel bridge.

Tom

15 jewels
hunting
# under the barrel bridge 42527

Bulent

I think I have seen one or two posted examples on the net of watches that were missing the serial number or some of the markings. In the case of Elgin making tens of millions watches dropping the ball on something would not be unbelievable. That fact that you don't see mistakes like this more often probably tells you their QC methods were decent.
Also if you pop the dial you should see a symbol and a series of numbers, the numbers are part of the serial number.

Bulent, the No. 42527 does fall within the Grade 152 serial numbers....in the fifth to last run....

8042001 8042001 1000 1898 152 16s h3n6p 15j e


Regards,

Jerry

Thank you to everybody.
Bulent