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Hamilton Two Tone Case Model 3

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July 29, 2015, 18:11
Roger Stephens
Hamilton Two Tone Case Model 3
992B S/N C127163 Wadsworth Case H855122.
The rear bezel has H855122 and the case body has
X5122 The front bezel has nothing,maybe a little
chicken scratching and maybe I can make out a V and a 1.I am not sure.The bezels screw on and off
easily and interchange(front to back and back to
front)easily.Everything looks right.I have another
Two Tone and the S/N's are stamped on the bezels.
Anyone experienced this?

a

July 29, 2015, 18:12
Roger Stephens
S/N H855122

v

July 29, 2015, 18:14
Roger Stephens
movement

m

July 29, 2015, 18:15
Roger Stephens
Case body X5122

d

July 29, 2015, 18:16
Roger Stephens
bezel

b

July 29, 2015, 18:17
Roger Stephens
chicken scratch

g

July 29, 2015, 18:18
Roger Stephens
bezel design

a

July 29, 2015, 18:30
Dan Carter
The chicken scratch should be the last four of the case serial number in Roman numerals V I II II. At least that is what I have seen in other cases.
July 29, 2015, 18:55
Kevin Hoffman
that is a good little tid-bit ,thanks dan
July 29, 2015, 21:43
Buster Beck
I am thinking......

Let me do a bit more research, but the Hamilton two~tone #3 cases had two varieties. One like you picture have the 3 line info inside the case back, and earlier ones had a 4 line info inside the case back with a patent date. It seems that one had a stamped bezel and the other like this one you picture had the last 4 digits scratched on it in Roman Numerals.

Check your other two~tone case and see if that may be the case and I will do some more research.

UPDATE; I think that the earlier two~tone #3 cases from about H790xxx had the "PAT 5-22-26" patent date and after H814140 the patent date was eliminated. [still researching....]

2nd UPDATE; I think I have exhausted my research Roger and that's the best explanation I can muster up. I don't currently have any of the two~tone cases to prove/disprove the bezel markings. Some members do and maybe they will come forward. Let us know about your other two~tone case and the number and markings.

regards,
bb
July 29, 2015, 23:51
Roger Stephens
The other case I have has Wadsworth
base metal
Pat.5-22-26
H790826
Front Bezel stamped 0826
Comparing this case to the one without a stamped
bezel and doing research here where Lindell
cautioned us to be sure and check the bezels on
these cases.I was thinking that I may have a
reproduction (if they exist)or worse.I know
"chicken scratching"were on a lot of the early
cases.So it had me scratching my head.I appreciate
your research on this.
Regards
Roger
July 30, 2015, 04:21
Krister Olsson
I have one of those and the back is marked Wadsworth, Base metal, Pat. 5-22-26, H791069. The frame and the bezel has stamped numbers x1069. The movement number is C164706. That is higher than yours but the case number is lower than yours. Both fit in with 1946 production. If I am correct, these cases were made only two years. 1946 - 1947.

Regards, Krister.
July 30, 2015, 09:10
Buster Beck
I think Lindell was wanting concerned members to check for the correct front bezel matching numbers on the Hamilton #3 two~tone cases because when Hamilton made these two~tone cases in '46-'47 they used Illinois previous designed bezel pattern off the old Illinois 1st model cases. Now those front bezels if off an older Illinois 1st model case would fit and they would be made of white gold filled material instead of base metal/stainless steel bezels that Hamilton made for the '46-'47 two~tone cases.

I think if I remember correctly that some of the later Hamilton #3 two~tone cases without the patent date, some front bezels had a stamped last 4 serial number and some had the last 4 serial number hand applied/scratched in Roman numerals, but don't quote that !!

I am not aware of any two~tone reproduction/restrike cases made in the 70's. There were several different 16sz reproduction/restrike cases made, some 12sz and even an 18sz case or two !!

Here is a image taken from an ad in 1977 showing some and most of the reproduction/restrike cases.

regards,
bb


July 30, 2015, 10:01
Roger Stephens
Thanks Krister and Buster.Maybe someone has this
case and can add to this.Phil Sanchez sold 3
of these as a grouping sometime back on ebay.2 cases having the Pat.date and one did not.Perhaps
he will see this and comment.
Regards
Roger
July 31, 2015, 07:31
Phillip Sanchez
Roger here is the thread. Info in there somewhere

Tu-tone
July 31, 2015, 08:29
Roger Stephens
Thanks Phil

Roger