I always thought an Elgin Doctor's watch would look good in a Muckle case, so when I saw the auction title "Vintage Elgin for parts" in what looked like a Muckle, I bid on it and won.
I think the combination looks good, better than the tired model 3 that it came with.
Movement is an Elgin model 4.

What do you think?

Inside the back cover is the patent date and model

One more look at the side and face of the case.

That looks great! If you ever want to part with it...

Really nice!!!

Roger

nice combination

Thanks for the kind words.
I think I'll keep it a while, Mort, but thanks anyway for the offer.

Does anyone know what case company's model the Excelsior was, or is Excelsior the case company?

Steve

They were made by H. Muhr's Sons Steve, warranted Gold Filled 20 Years

Thanks, Bila. I'll add the info to my notes on the watch and case.

Steve

Hi Steve,

That is a beauty... well done! Like you this is one of my favorite Elgins.

Thanks, Serge.
They were always my favorite, and always hard to find cases for.

Steve

I am a bit confused is case a excelsior by Muhr or a Muckle case?

George,
Edward A. Muckle 1st took out a patent for what was called, the"Magic Watch Case" in 1867.
Several companies made the case, Muhr was one of them. Excelsior must have been their name for the Magic Case design.
Here's a link to a search with lots of info
https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...rum_scope=1086047761


Hope this helps.
Steve

I am fairly familiar with Muckles there are about a half a dozen or so here. I tried to download pictures but its a no go says they are to big. So Muckles were made by originally North Western Case. they will be marked North Western or North Western with an R in a shield which was for Rockford contracted cases. North Western eventually sold to Rockford, those are marked Rockford. Originally marketed as Muckles Magic Case, Climax Model. Michael Cronin sold case co. to Muhr which made "excelsior" conversion cases they later sold to Philadelphia Case.

hi George , if you had some new pictures you can email them to me and I will post them for you , to post on this site they need to be resized , this is done so we will never lose our photos , my email is
hoffmanhomekevin@gmail.com

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...56029761/m/380108351

Thanks Kevin I forwarded 2 pictures one day I might learn computers

These photos are from George

and the other from George

Kevin thanks, Muckles are kind of plentiful, theres a fair number around. more scarce is Baldwin Magic Case patented 1850 ish before Muckle but a different design as it rotated 45º to keep seconds bit at correct orientation. these conversions were around 30-40 yrs. prior to Muckles patent.

By the way a real nice find, a Dr.'s watch is one on my list

test for photo

George,
Are all the cases in your photo above all silver or is one gold? Most photos I've seen are silver.

Steve

Hello, They are all silver (tarnished) I have not seen any Muckles that are gold, but who knows when you think you have figured out what the CO's were doing something else pops up...

That is an interesting tid-bit , I have never seen a Muckle in anything but silver . Besides the Magic case are there any similar makers ?

Baldwin circa 1850ish I believe the original design started in Switzerland well before muckle's patent date, Vrad or vraad was made for the Chinese market in Switzerland earlier than Muckle and used a similar design hunter to open face.