Hamilton 924 Questions

March 09, 2009, 00:58

Bill Manders

Can someone tell me is the 924 an adjusted watch ?
Thanks,
Bill

March 09, 2009, 01:07

Tom Brown

According to the Gold book by Meggers & Ehrhardt it is a unadjusted watch.

Tom

March 09, 2009, 06:07

Cecil McGee

I have several 924s and they all read adjusted on the movements.

March 09, 2009, 06:24

Cecil McGee

The 924 is also listed as railroad grade in Shugart's book.

March 09, 2009, 06:37

Peter Drago

I have a 924 S/N 98598 that is not identified as a 924 on the movement and also it is not marked "adjusted".It seems that there were at least 2 versions of the 924, an early one aimed at the general public and maybe a later one, railroad grade, adjusted.
Peter

March 09, 2009, 10:09

Tony Dukes

Hamilton 924 and 925--not marked adjusted.
Hamilton 926 and 927--marked adjusted on movement.
Tony

March 09, 2009, 10:35

Peter Drago

Do we have then to assume that Mr. McGee 924s are in reality 926 or 927?
Peter

March 09, 2009, 11:41

David Abbe

This double signed 924 is marked adjusted, and I believe they were mostly adjusted to 3 positions.

March 09, 2009, 14:16

Tony Dukes

Dave,
If the serial number is 601710 on your watch then my serial number lists say it is a 926. I am not trying to argue with you but I just want the information on this great site to be as correct as possible.
Tony

March 09, 2009, 16:02

Lindell V. Riddle

The one word answer to Bill Manders' question is "NO" but there is additional information that some of us may be interesting to research.

Right here on IHC185 we have a storehouse of information in our Technical Library, Serial Numbers and Site Links containing the Hamilton Serial Number Listings Preserved by John F. Gelson which is reliable. Once there choose "Hamilton Movement Numbers By Grade" and on page 9 we find number 601710 listed as a 926 just as Tony said it would be. With movements that lack a grade number it is important to determine what Grade they really are, the Gelson List should be of help in that quest.

According to Hamilton advertising "Adjusted" markings will probably not appear on the 924 Open-Face or the 925 Hunter movements. However, that marking "Adjusted" should be found on the 926 Open-Face as well as the 927 Hunter which are "Adjusted to Temperature" and "Adjusted" should appear on all movements with higher grade numbers as well. Here is another point, the Grades 924, 925, 926 and 927 should each front Single-Sunk dials to be as they left the factory. Then all of the higher Hamilton grades should have Double-Sunk dials.

If anyone has any reference to a 924 or 925 being "Railroad Approved" please do share that information with the rest of us. But the confusion may be another instance of mixing "Railroad Grade" and "Railroad Approved" which are not synonymous terms and therefore should not be used interchangeably. In other words, all Hamilton Watches, know as "The Watch of Railroad Accuracy" were manufactured to "Railroad Grade" standards, but only those that were "Adjusted to 5 Positions" were marketed by them as being "Railroad Approved" watches.

Hamilton never advertised anything below a Grade 936 as being a fully adjusted "Railroad Approved" watch.

Hope this information is helpful.

Lindell

March 09, 2009, 17:28

Peter Drago

Thank you Lindell, It is always a pleasure to read your knowledgeable comments.
It appears that the "different versions" of the 924 are called 926, 927..etc.(or viceversa).
Oh well, I will have to move my 924 from the RR display cabinet to the "common watches" one.Too bad, it even has a train engraved on the back.
Regards
Peter

March 09, 2009, 19:44

Larry Buchan

Dave:

Hamiltons 3 Position watch for Interurban Railway Service was the Grade 948.

Larry

March 09, 2009, 20:05

Bill Manders

What a storehouse of info, thanks to all who have answered so far. I have not got the watch yet, but the movement is not marked with grade,nor adj. markers, and the serial number is 174213, upon looking in the Hamilton guide it is listed as a 924, also in the Complete guide with that number, it is listed as a 924. So is it a 924 or something else, just for my own info. I think I like the watch as it is a nice Private Label.
Thanks for the info,
Bill

March 09, 2009, 20:21

David Abbe

Wow, To think I got a 926 for $48 because it was listed as a "old Mclachlans Special pocket watch". Thank You for looking it up. Sometimes I have a "senior moment" when putting these up and just guess what they are.

March 09, 2009, 21:45

Cecil McGee

I stand corrected,I have 4 watches,all bought from the same seller,and all tagged 924. Upon checking the serial numbers,all of my 924s are 926s.

July 10, 2014, 15:10

Ken Habeeb

"Here is another point, the Grades 924, 925, 926 and 927 should each front Single-Sunk dials to be as they left the factory. Then all of the higher Hamilton grades should have Double-Sunk dials."

L. -
With Hamilton 924s (and perhaps other grades), you might want to make an exception for single-sunk v. double-sunk dials when the watches are truly private-label.
I'm looking at the only 924 in my collection (trolley car back of case), which was retailed in San Francisco just before the Great 1906 Earthquake, and it is sporting a double-sunk dial. Movement serial #472801, sold by D.B. Behrend, signed on both dial and movement.

Cheers,
ken h.

July 10, 2014, 16:16

Lindell V. Riddle

The question that began this topic had to do with Adjustments, not dials, particularly not with Private Label dials.. And the Grade 924 was an UNADJUSTED watch as produced by Hamilton according to Hamilton advertising and was shipped by them to retailers with Single Sunk dials. Of course they would make a Private Labeled Double Sunk Dial for jewelers with the retailer's name as we see on the watch David shared in this topic more than five years ago and obviously the same situation exists with yours as well.

So we should now say notwithstanding Private Labels dials which on 18-size Hamiltons are usually Double Sunk if I recall correctly the fact remains... "Grades 924, 925, 926 and 927 should each front Single-Sunk dials to be as they left the factory." My original comment in March of 2009 was to explain the way we should expect to find Hamilton-signed 18-size watches and I stand by it.