December 01, 2014, 17:27
Rick Farmer16 size Howard/Keystone 23 jewel, Hunter case
Ladies and gentlemen, fairly new to ihc185 and soon determined this is where to go for information.
I recently purchased a 16s 23j Bridge model E. Howard/Keystone Hunter case PW.
Ser#1057424 (1912-1914) PAT'D'08,which is under the balance wheel. On the bridge is E.Howard Watch Co., Boston U.S.A Adjusted. No other markings.
Hunter Case is C.W.C.Co. trade mark & on inside of the cuvette is Keystone, EXTRA with sunburst pattern and cluster scallop designs. Case # is 1022295, and design is engine turned.
Dial is Arabic numbers and on the outer ring the 5 minute increments are colored blue.
Not able to post pics yet, sorry for the above dissertation.
My question is 'what is it' It is not a series model, adjusted 3positions? manufactured by Waltham? or is it just a 23 jewel Howard in pretty good condition.
Would appreciate any help in determining what it is.
Regards
December 01, 2014, 18:11
Michael LogginsUnmarked series 0 in gold filled keystone case.
December 01, 2014, 19:34
Rick FarmerThank you Michael, appreciate the guidance.
December 01, 2014, 20:25
Lorne WasylishenWhich one does it look like?
December 01, 2014, 21:00
Rick FarmerHello Lorne, thank you. There are more similarities with the picture on the right for the balance end and the alignment of the screws and the regulator. This watch is also a stem wind and stem set.
i realize there is not a while lot of information for Howard watches and this one seems to be in between most info that I see.
December 02, 2014, 15:26
David Abbe"is it just a 23 jewel Howard in pretty good condition"?
For starters Rick, yes! It is made by Keystone-Howard. The blue 5 minute markers on the dial suggest a replacement. I only say that from lack of prior experience seeing that dial on a Howard.
A picture of the marked Cuvette would help confirm the case.
The appearance and condition puts it up there in value.
December 02, 2014, 17:26
Paul D. TrombleyThat is a very nice watch.
I am a sucker for the jeweled motor barrels and bridge model watches. This one has the best of both worlds.
I'm not so sure the dial isn't original. They are not that common, but the do show up once in awhile. The hands look correct as well. This would be more of a gentleman's version than a serious RR version.
Also would love to see a photo of the back side of the covette. We are are looking for the Howard Watch Company logo to show that this keystone case was made for a factory cased Howard watch. Otherwise, it is a very nice re-case.
December 02, 2014, 18:09
Rick FarmerGentlemen, sure do appreciate your help
December 02, 2014, 19:06
Rick FarmerI think best I can do to read bridge. Thank you again
December 02, 2014, 20:48
Rick FarmerWell thank you David. I was fortunate to walk into an antique shop when a consignment of about 8 pocket watches came in and was the first to see them. I immediately gravitated to a Ball-Waltham 17 jewel Official Standard and would not let go of it. Then the Howard. had to get them both. Am afraid to go back and check out the other 6 watches.
I certainly appreciate the courtesy and kind words regarding the watch. Will let you know if I go back to see the watches and clean out my fun account.
Rick
December 03, 2014, 00:53
David AbbeRick, it has been my experience that Canadian owned watches are in far better condition than those from the "States". Judging from the two you got, if it were me, and I had the bucks, I would be back there looking at the other 4 and maybe figuring a way to make a "bulk" buy of they were anywhere near what the first two showed.
December 03, 2014, 11:42
Rick FarmerI plan to visit the shop today...just to look..I think. Fun account might take a beating if there is a gem.
December 03, 2014, 13:25
Michael LogginsFor those of us who live vicariously through other's success, keep us posted!
December 04, 2014, 13:14
Rick FarmerI did check out the remainder of consignment watches but there was not another that I simply could not pass up.
There was one interesting private label I assume and it read - F.A. Robbins, Pittsfield Mass. an Agassiz according to the consignor. 17 jewel and in pretty good condition. A note with the watch said "click on fusee slips". That did it for me not knowing to much about fusee all I could think about was repair cost.