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Help--Was I cheated

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August 10, 2008, 21:13
Robert Schussel
Help--Was I cheated
I just purchased this 16 size Hampden and never realised that someone fused two finger bridges together and lost the sweep second hand? What should I do.

Below is the movement


August 10, 2008, 21:14
Robert Schussel
Here is the front of the watch


August 10, 2008, 21:48
Charles J. Brem
Bob,

I just looked up your serial # and it says "no seconds bit". I think it's supposed to be that way.

Still a nice watch with relatively low production.


©harles
August 10, 2008, 22:00
Robert Schussel
Charles
I said it as a joke.

The reason I purchased this watch is that it was at the very end of Hampdens production when quality had slipped to an all time low.As an avid Hampden collector I wanted examples of the good,the bad and the ugly--2 out of 3 isn't bad.

It also appears that this unmarked grade (7 jewel) watch was the last 16 size Hampden made in the US.

While 10,000 to 20,000 may have been produced they don't don't appear that often for sale.

Bob
August 10, 2008, 22:08
Charles J. Brem
I had a feeling about that, I know that you really know your stuff on these. That does look like a cost cutting "feature".

I'm also a big fan of Hampdens and I'm looking for a nice clean Springfield example.


©harles
August 11, 2008, 12:55
Robert Schussel
As you are all probably aware I am an avid Hampden collector.

During the 1920s all of the watch companies experienced economic problems and lowered their quality to stay in business.

As a collector I have tried to find examples that show the steps these companies took at the bitter end.

In this instance the 16 size Hampden is cruder than any of the 12 size watches Hampden made.

It is often hard to find examples of poorly made watches as they typically were discarded because it would cost more to repair than to buy a new watch.

Bob
August 11, 2008, 14:52
Lindell V. Riddle

On page 163 of the Hernick and Arnold Hampden book we find listings for a 7-Jewel, Unadjusted, Model 5, Pendant-Set, 16-size, Open-Face on number 3865748 which is just 2 below Bob's watch. In fact 3861014 all the way through 3866086 are listed the same way. Then curiously 3870276 has a "Russian Dial and Case" reference.

Remember, the Hernick-Arnold listings are of actual sightings, not based upon extrapolations or speculation. In this watch of Bob's we are apparently looking at the unfortunate end of Hampden production in Canton, Ohio shortly before the tooling and everything related to Hampden was sold to Amtorg and shipped off to Russia.

This fascinating story is part of "Springfield to Moscow, the Dueber-Hampden Story" which is sold along with "American Watchmaking" in our IHC185 Book and Gift Store at the $34.95 Shipping Included IHC185 Members-Only price. Those two books are the basic "must-haves" for all pocket watch collectors.

And to Charles, we will soon have a clean Springfield example in our IHC185 Auctions. Big Grin

Wink

August 12, 2008, 00:59
Gary E. Foster
That is an interesting example. One never knows what may show up here. I know I wouldn't have known what I was looking at. Thanks for the posting.
August 13, 2008, 08:57
Charles J. Brem
That's really fascinating stuff Lindell. I've been eyeing those books for a while & I think it's time to pick them up. I'll be watching for that Hampden Springfield also.


©harles