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Elgins . . . By the NUMBERS!!

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March 15, 2008, 16:01
David Abbe
Elgins . . . By the NUMBERS!!
When looking over these fine pieces of watchworks, I often muse on the "What's and Whyfore's" of the Watch Marketing group(s). Hamilton, after "borrowing" much technology from Hampden and some others, went in "lockstep" with their model numbers as the advances in designs and manufacturing dictated. Elgin seems to have chosen an admixture of names and numbers that were used to satisfy their "grading" system, and memorialize their major investors and exec's. In Elgins's pre-WWI (recessionary times) ads, they heralded the 23 Jewel 3/4 plate "Veritas" as the line leaders of both 16 and 18 size watches . . .


March 15, 2008, 16:04
David Abbe
BUT! Ran parallel to the beautiful Veritas works, the "Numbered" 348 and 349 18s 21 Jewel RR Grade FULL PLate watches! I think this was a "Touche" for the Elgin - Waltham "Fratricidal" history of working together to corner the markets! Or in other words with friends like this who needs an enemy?


March 15, 2008, 16:08
David Abbe
The big hit Elgin made (no doubt) with these beauties were; They were 21 Jewel, RR Grade, of the highest order of accuracy and quality in a FULL PLATE movement! Most certainly to appeal to the Waltham customers who were STILL waiting for a full plate 18s 1883 MODEL Waltham with more than 17 Jewels, AND confirmed RR grade


March 15, 2008, 16:12
David Abbe
The sales response for the finely finished No 348 HC type was somewhere between 1,000 and 3,500 depending on who you read. Also some extremely rare versions were marked "Father Time" from this series. (pic is a 348)


March 15, 2008, 16:14
David Abbe
Leaving NO.349 OF version to "carry the load" with over 27,000 put in service. This vintage 1907 example has Burlington type service markings and was put in service about when Burlington was taken over by James J.Hill builder of the Great (White Goat) Northern Railroad.


March 15, 2008, 18:30
Edward Kitner
David,
I really enjoy your educational trips back in time. (no pun intended)
March 15, 2008, 20:15
Bob Kapinos
David,

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

Bob
March 16, 2008, 22:35
Marty Bell
You read these pockets like they're books. Keep posting-please!


Marty
March 17, 2008, 13:06
Donald Trumble
I agree!

It's fun enjoy the stories and study every detail of the pictures.

Don
March 17, 2008, 16:43
Dave Freeman
David,
what a great topic. Smile


Dave Freeman
IHC Member 321
March 17, 2008, 19:56
David Abbe
This is what I love about IHC185 we are free to speak and speculate
March 18, 2008, 06:51
Phillip Sanchez
Great stories, watches and pictures, Dave. Please keep them coming. Smile

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