February 15, 2004, 14:33
Andy KrietzerEbauche or private lable watches, marked Evansville, IN?
I am into clocks, not watches, so I was trying to figure out about a watch that may have been marked made in Evansville, IN. I found several listings in the city directories and ads in newspapers from the 1850s to 1880s for a P L Geissler watch shop. I have copied below the two listings that mention that a watch was marked with this store name on it. I was looking through the new watch price guide, and I am still confused about what this watch may have been. The first ad is from 1874, and it says that the watches were "manufactured exclusively to our order". The next one is from 1876, and it says "manufacturer of Geissler watches".
I am trying to figure out if these would have been the eubache type watch I read about in the book. I understand that to be unfinished watch parts imported from Switzerland, and finished by local watch makers. Is that correct? Or would these have been private label watches where a large watchmaker actually made the watch, but put the store's name on it. The one ad makes it sound as if the watch shop actually made it themself. I guess I am just not understanding the ebauche watches, what they were exactly, and if either or both could have been marked with this watch shop's name.
Andy.
February 15, 2004, 14:34
Andy KrietzerThis is the directory listing from 1876. Sorry about the huge size of these pictures. I don't know how to reduce them.
February 15, 2004, 15:00
Phil DellingerAndy,
I resized your pictures for you.
Phil
February 17, 2004, 23:19
Jerry TreimanHere is a Hamilton grade 974 marked for a watchmaker or jeweler in Evansville, Indiana. Andy discovered that this gentleman married into the Geissler family, which he is researching.
March 18, 2004, 12:59
Andy KrietzerOne I found from this same jeweler/watchmaker here in Evansville, IN. It is a Longines 15 J marked JM Boner on the movement.
Andy
March 18, 2004, 13:00
Andy KrietzerMovement of Longines signed J M Boner.
March 18, 2004, 13:02
Andy KrietzerMaybe kind of morbid, but here is John M. Boner's grave.
March 18, 2004, 18:30
Arthur DeKalbI have wondered how to pronounce "Eubache" for some time now. Is it A-bosch? E-bosch or ?? New on Chap185 site, Art
March 18, 2004, 18:46
Lindell V. RiddleArt,
Welcome to our Discussions! You'll find this a very friendly group.
I always heard "ebauche" pronounced as if it were "E-bosch" but in Shugarts
"Complete Guide to Watches" the following pronunciation and definition appears on page 1,143 0f the current 2004 Edition...
EBAUCHE (ay-boesh)
A movement not completely finished or in the rough; not detailed; a raw movement; a movement made up of two plates, train, barrel and does not include a dial, case or escapement.So not not only do we need to brush up on our pronunciation but sharpen our definition as well. Of course we learn something new every day, often I learn several.
Lindell
March 22, 2004, 08:53
Arthur DeKalbLin, Thank you for the Dictionary definition. How about taking a stab at pronouncing AY- Boesh. Is it long "a" as in saying the letter 'a', and Bosh or bow-e-shhh. No doubt the French pronounciation is with some missing letters, but which ones??
September 04, 2004, 12:13
Andy KrietzerI found another Longines watch marked for JM Boner. This one is about a 12 size I think.
Andy
September 04, 2004, 12:15
Andy Krietzer12 size Mvt.
September 04, 2004, 12:17
Andy KrietzerDials for JM Boner watches, 12 and 16 size, I think.
Andy
September 04, 2004, 16:08
Andy KrietzerSwiss made watch with P.L. Geissler, Evansville markings on it.
1879 Advertisement from Evansville:
Business card attached to back of a clock, circa 1855:
Andy