Internet Horology Club 185
Another "old watch"! (18s 17 Ruby Jewel Bunn)
July 23, 2009, 19:51
David AbbeAnother "old watch"! (18s 17 Ruby Jewel Bunn)
This just "fell through the cracks" on eBay. one of only 3200 made from 1905 - 1915. It is next on the home bench . . . more about it soon!
July 23, 2009, 20:36
Edward L. Parsons, Jr.Nice find David. Love the damaskeening pattern & "Bunn" signature!
Best Regards,
Ed
July 23, 2009, 21:11
Steve MiddlesworthNice catch David....I have been wanting one of those as well as a 19 jewel but just haven't freed up the funds yet.
Steve
July 23, 2009, 21:40
Steve MiddlesworthDavid,
Your post reminded me. A couple of weeks ago I went to the "ending soonest" way of listing items and this was sitting there with hardly any bids on it. I searched the serial number and found it was a Special gold inlaid demaskeen and only 200 were produced like this. I ended up snatching up a bargain. Deals are out there as we can both attest to. Do you by any chance have a nice dial like this? Meggers back then listed this as $850-1000. It was made in one run of 200 and this was the sixth one.
Steve
July 23, 2009, 23:27
David AbbeI have this one on another 21J Sangamo which has better script. Give me a cal or e-mail how we can haggle over it.
July 24, 2009, 23:43
David AbbeWell, after digging up a new mainspring, this started to come together. Great Balance motion!
July 24, 2009, 23:45
David AbbeINteresting differnce of parts needed for winding and setting these and those that make time . . .
July 24, 2009, 23:46
David AbbeBut it runs very well
July 24, 2009, 23:48
David AbbeI used an Illinois swing case which is more appropriate . . .
July 24, 2009, 23:49
David AbbeI know the hands are new because I put them on, but a Bunn is a Bunn is a Bu . . . . whatta beautiful dial!
July 25, 2009, 09:12
Steve MiddlesworthDave,
That is a magnificent looking timepiece. Well done my friend, it is stunning. You did very well.
Steve
July 25, 2009, 10:52
Jerry KingDavid,
Steve said it all and I concur whole heartedly....
You are indeed a horological wizard....Please, keep them coming....
Regards,
Jerry
July 25, 2009, 14:35
Theodore J. Brown Sr.Nice job on a great Illinois, Dave! I have one just like it, also in a swing-ring case.It's one of my favorite watches.Love that sun ray damaskeen pattern.Those dials usually have a lot of hairlines.Were they made thinner than other Illinois dials?
July 25, 2009, 17:24
David AbbeI do not know if the Porcelain is any thinner. The cracks (and other malfeasances of watchmanship) seem to be caused more by carelessness than "accident". I sometimes speculate that some Watch Shops were next to the local gin mill and too often the watchmakers might be "better oiled" than the watches they were attending to.
July 25, 2009, 23:10
Steve MiddlesworthI have removed many a dial and have never really had any problems getting them off after loosening up the dial screws. I often wonder if those are stress induced of sort. It always seems they have the usual cracks near the dial feet and would this not caused by the pressure of the screws forcing the feet in and thermal expansion working outwords on the dial. I have never encountered a situation where it required to get a screw driver in there and pry up on the dial. Has anyone reading this actually ruined a dial or heard stories of this being done. I just can't imagine it being common practice.
Steve
July 26, 2009, 00:23
Jerry KingSteve, I have never had a problem removing a dial either....however Chris worked on one of my watches recently and he had a dickens of a time getting all the glue off under the dial, he said it was a mess....
I have often wondered about the dials that are chipped out and they do seem that more times than not tobe chipped at the dial hold down screw locations....Your analysis may be correct....
However, Dave may be correct as well as far as some of those watch repair persons may in fact be well oiled by the end of the day....

Regards,
Jerry
July 26, 2009, 09:51
Steve MiddlesworthAs far as the chips go, I can see the watch being dropped while setting the time with the bezel off and landing on the edge of the dial. I also suspect hardworking men of the time having rough hands and no fingernails using their pocket knife to extend the lever to set the time resulting with chips out at the lever. Maybe that's why you find so many pocket knives used as fobs.
Jerry, why was there glue on your dial?
Steve
July 26, 2009, 10:22
Jerry KingI have no idea, Steve, I had just purchased the watch and had it shipped directly to him....Why is glue sometimes used to hold dials in place....I don't know....
Regards,
Jerry