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WALTHAM MOD.1857 EXCELSIOR 15J IS RARE??

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February 10, 2009, 13:29
Andrea Schiavi
WALTHAM MOD.1857 EXCELSIOR 15J IS RARE??
HELLO,

I WAS WONDERING IF ANYBODY KNOWS HOW MANY WALTHAM,MODEL 1857,15JEWELS,EXCELSIOR,SIGNED ON THE MOVEMENT'MADE ONLY FOR HOWARD & CO. NEW YORK-FIFTH AVENUE" HAVE BEEN MADE.IT LOOKS LIKE NON MANY BUT cOMPLETE PRICE GUIDE TO WATCHES GIVES A VALUE OF $100-185-300 WITH NO STARS.
I HAVE SEEN ONLY VERY FEW AROUND.ANY CLUE?
THANK YOU Smile
ANDREA
February 18, 2009, 09:12
Andrea Schiavi
There is one on Ebay right now:

Item number 330307373118, but it is not "excelsior"


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Andrea
February 18, 2009, 13:40
David Abbe
According to the "Gold Book", Waltham made three "Excelsior" movements, and 2 of them were 18s (the other was 14s). There is a considerable disparity between Shugarts price guide ($100 - $150.00 Confused) and the 1980's Ehrhardt/Meggers valuation of the 1857 model watch. I would (given the circumstances) go with the Gold book and estimate from their valuation of $250.00 in the 1980's, to least a 2*-3* rare model now collectible at US$500.00 - US$1500.00 depending on case and condition. On the other hand if it is an 1877 model, it would be much less.


February 18, 2009, 13:42
David Abbe
The correct movement is Number 16 pictured here;


February 18, 2009, 15:06
Andrea Schiavi
David,

Thank you very much for your detailed informations!It is always a pleasure to learn from you,thank you Maestro! Smile

Andrea