Internet Horology Club 185
Elgin 574
July 13, 2008, 15:51
Mike PensonElgin 574
Its Elgin Day at my home! I thought I'd share some pics of two Elgin watches that are interesting to me. This 16s 574 is pendant set and adjusted to 5 positions.
July 13, 2008, 15:54
Mike PensonIts a great carry watch, very accurate. And there is something to be said for not having to unscrew a bezel and yank a lever for minor corrections.
July 13, 2008, 15:55
Mike PensonThe case wear would indicate others have enjoyed this watch.
July 13, 2008, 15:57
Mike PensonAnd its all Elgin. I also have a 571 signed this way.
July 13, 2008, 16:00
Mike PensonIf anyone would share their insight as to what Elgin's target buyer was for this configuration, and any other fun facts about this watch, I'd be grateful.
July 13, 2008, 16:26
Mike PensonAnd this is the one that started it all. Its an Elgin B.W. Raymond 17j A5P, from 1909 I believe. This was a birthday gift from Mom.
July 13, 2008, 16:28
Mike PensonThe jeweler told her it was 15j, A3P, from 1917. Makes you wonder if she walked out with the right watch.
July 13, 2008, 16:30
Mike PensonGuess what is in my pocket when I meet Mom for pizza?
July 13, 2008, 16:31
Mike PensonAnd it did lead me to IHC185, so it truly has been the gift that keeps on giving.
July 13, 2008, 16:37
Mike PensonSome of you may meet my Mom one day, and you'll understand why I wasted no time hunting down an identical movement and case. Luckily, the case was filled with a beautiful Hamilton 992.
July 14, 2008, 04:26
Sheila Gilbertyum yum
I get so tickled when I see Elgins, any Elgin.
Your BWR was made in 1909 for sure, and it was the first 16s model 15, the first Railroad patent regulator, and the first 16s motor barrel.
Grade 370
The first one, G 574, was made in 1948, a good year, for me that is.....
Very nice!
Sheila
July 14, 2008, 08:40
Mike PensonThank Sheila, I thought there might be something unique when my post didn't draw the usual good natured jabs from Chris Abell. Needless to say, this BWR will follow me into the afterlife-or else!
July 14, 2008, 09:19
Mark CrossI am fortunate to own several Elgins, including two Father Times, a 478, a 571, a 214 Veritas, and one I call my 'yard watch', a 575.
It's a 15j 'beater', 3 position adjustment, and REALLY looks rough, but MAN that silly old thing keeps good time.
It, too, is a pendent set and looks exactly like your 17j 574, but lower jeweled. It's REALLY beat up (even the dial was chipped in the past and someone redid the missing minute marks with a sharpie (or so it appears)), but fully functional.
It keeps time right there with my fully adjusted and running to railroad standards 992B hanging right next to it.
Regard! Mark
July 14, 2008, 13:50
Mike PensonMark, I've long felt Elgin watches are under appreciated. I've got an old 16s 3fb model I should also post. I'd like to see your Veritas. How about a pic?
July 14, 2008, 13:53
Mark CrossOnce I figure out the magic and wizardry of my newly acquired camera, I'll do so. Finding the time is the BIGGEST problem lately!

Regards! Mark
July 14, 2008, 16:38
Sheila GilbertMark,
A sharpie! I love it. Isn't it great when you can enjoy a watch just for what it is? I sure do.
I always thought that we sometimes underestimate just how wonderful these works of art really are, and if we consider the times in which they were created, it's even more shocking.
For pete's sake, these people didn't even have bathrooms yet!!!! well, part of that time anyway.
I have some of the most terrible, beat up, pieces of junk you have ever seen, and I get a kick out of them just by looking at them.
It makes no difference if your favorite is a High End something-or-other, or a cheap pile of mess, we can at least appreciate just how facinating and wonderful it is to see something, made so long ago, that can still stir the juices inside of us, and keep us coming back for more.
They have the ability to make you smile, when you feel that simple round object in your pocket, or when you see that certain one that you pass by, only to remember that this is the one that got me into all of this passion.
Got a hold on us? Yep! and I for one, love them all.
Sheila
July 15, 2008, 00:06
Mike PensonHere is another pair I've taken some license with. On the right is the now famous Elgin 14k 12s won right here at 185. The other, somewhat less famous, is a 16s 3fb in gold filled hinged case. It has been said the 16s was used by Bull Halsey at Midway. But only by me.
July 15, 2008, 00:47
Tom BrownMike
You know I have the Captain's watch that went down with the Titantic.
Tom
July 15, 2008, 09:51
Mike PensonThanks for the heads up. I was going after that one later this year. And wait till I post the pics of Fred Flintstone's quartz sun dial.
July 15, 2008, 10:18
Brian C.Tom,
I also have a Captain's watch from the Titantic. It's a 6s New York Standard. There were probably many captains for that great ship.

I got mine on eBay for 10 bucks. It's funny, when I won the auction I thought I might be getting ripped off as the seller had negitive 10 feed backs.

But when I received it, I knew I had the real deal, as it is a solid piece of rust.

I also think it needs a new hairspring.
It will be interesting to see if any other 185ers have captain's watches from the Titantic.
Brian C.
July 15, 2008, 20:43
Mike PensonSo, Brian and Tom, are they for sale?
July 16, 2008, 09:05
Brian C.Mike,
Mine is not for sale. I'm going to see if Christy's will take it on consignment.

Brian C.
July 16, 2008, 10:07
Phillip SanchezHer is mine that I bought directly from Leonardo DiCaprio as he was sinking under the cold water.
July 16, 2008, 14:53
Mike PensonIs that the one I just got from you? You never mentioned it was water resistant.
July 17, 2008, 06:28
Phillip SanchezYes, Mike. All you wanted was the provenance, so you could tell those two friends if yours

you knew Leonardo and just happened to be standing on that iceberg at just the right time.
Hi, everybody we are just having a little fun.

July 18, 2008, 14:54
Mike PensonYou Fiend! Am I so transparent?