Internet Horology Club 185
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May 30, 2012, 13:56
Francis Bowman
Private label PW
Since my books are packed away and i dont know which box contains my book, does any one know any more information on this little baby. Feed back very much welcome. Francis


May 30, 2012, 13:56
Francis Bowman
back of movement

[Movement number: 1219880]


May 30, 2012, 15:11
David Abbe
You are looking at an Extremely Rare (1 of 100 in 16J type and 1200 in 15J grade) Illinois Grade 114-S, 16s Lever set Model 3 (first HC 16s Model) c.a. 1894. This beauty is rare because they were so fragile that they required service very often and were easily service damaged just by pressing on the Cannon Pinion. (Look at the long unsupported canteleiver to the center of the top movement plate.)

They keep good time but were quickly replaced by the entrance of the 16s Getty Miracle.
May 30, 2012, 19:16
Francis Bowman
David your bloods worth bottling mate.So this one would be a unit that I would keep in a display case, not as a day wear then. I appericate the feedback david your a real gentleman. Francis
May 30, 2012, 22:49
Tom Brown
Francis
If you are interested, M. Goldsmith & Son were Max & Charles Goldsmith. The image below is from the 1897 Washington DC city directory.

Max was born about 1840 in Prussia, he was married to Ellen who was born in Scotland. Charles was born about 1866 in New York.

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May 31, 2012, 01:25
Francis Bowman
Wow Tom you are so on the ball, where do you find these items of history? Awesome thank you.
May 31, 2012, 08:09
Tom Brown
Francis

You are welcome. I pay to belong to several different web sites that give access to census records, city directories, military records, newspapers and other scanned documents. It is expensive but I try not to add up what the total amount is I spend so I keep myself in the dark.

I have always been interested in the history of the previous owner of objects and enjoy searching for this information, I hope it stays with the object for a while.
June 02, 2012, 07:36
Francis Bowman
Update i now own this movement and will be looking for a HC Case for it, if any one reading this has one please feel free to email me with photo and Price please. Looking for some thing decent. many thanks Francis
July 22, 2014, 11:18
Paul D. Trombley
This one will be fun... I got sucked in when I ran the serial number and found it was 1 of 175 total production for this model. I also like the chamfered regulator bow.

A million thank yous to Dave for the cautionary statement on managing the Cannon Pinion.

I'm thinking a decent long neck case, a thorough cleaning and some bluing work should make one heck of a difference.

Interesting that the balance cock screw on the above example is not blued... I might be able to blue or find a blued case screw, swap the bridge screw and balance cock screw and be ok there.

The hands will need to be re-blued... but that should be pretty straight forward.

[Movement number: 1183000]


July 22, 2014, 11:25
Paul D. Trombley
So, these are the before pictures... In a perfect world, I will post finished pictures in a few weeks.

Mr. Brown, is there any chance you might be able to find some history on Fred J. Dorn?