Internet Horology Club 185
Waltham 1874 with dial decal

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March 04, 2014, 09:52
Peter Nicholson
Waltham 1874 with dial decal
I bought this watch mainly because I liked the family inscriptions on the case which I think help to date the case to the movement. The movement dates to 1884 and the first inscription to early 1886. What puzzles me is the rather crude 'Canadian Pacific Railway Time' decal that has been put on the dial. Is this an attempt to impress your friends? You know like owners of standard cars adding a 'GT' or some other
'go faster logo' on their car.
Should I remove it or leave it as a talking point?


March 04, 2014, 09:53
Peter Nicholson
The movement.


March 04, 2014, 09:54
Peter Nicholson
Early inscription.


March 04, 2014, 09:55
Peter Nicholson
Later inscription.


March 04, 2014, 10:04
Paul D. Trombley
That sir, is a very nice, high grade watch. There are several posts and discussions regarding the paper dial. Somewhere along the line, this watch saw service on the Canadian rails...

https://ihc185.infopop.cc/eve/f...123999977#1123999977
March 04, 2014, 10:25
Peter Nicholson
Thanks Paul, that's very enlightening! Looks like the decal stays after all.
I have quite a few watches with the more conventional ceramic 24 hour Canadian dials, but this was a new one on me.
March 04, 2014, 10:51
Lorne Wasylishen
Peter, here is a tread with more info CPR Paper Dial

And somewhere else a thread with me whining about not winning this watch. My apologies for bidding you up, who knew?
March 04, 2014, 11:56
Peter Nicholson
Lorne. Thanks for the other thread about the paper dial. I only bought the watch three days ago.
I had seen it in a local auction three weeks ago but couldn't get to the sale.
The buyer put it on the Bay and I bought it for less than half what it fetched in the auction.
March 04, 2014, 12:04
Lorne Wasylishen
I totally missed it on eBay, good for you.

Don't remove that paper dial, there are very few around.

Those dials were given away free to anyone who wanted one in hopes promoting universal acceptance if 24 hour time.
March 04, 2014, 12:54
Peter Nicholson
I think the presentation date on the watch of Feb, 1886 ties in nicely with the CPR Company letter of June, 1886.
March 04, 2014, 12:55
David Abbe
Peter, the movement serial number will help in researching this memorable piece.
March 04, 2014, 13:44
Peter Nicholson
David, It's a Model 1874 Serial number 1994499 which dates it I think to 1884. It's a 14 size, 16 jewel movement.
March 04, 2014, 14:35
Hub Harms
Grade: Am.W.Co.
Am`n W Co
Movement Serial Number: 1994499
Estimated Production Year: 1883
Run Quantity: 200
Size: 14s
Jewels: 16j
Movement Configuration: Hunting
Movement Finish: Unknown
Model: 1874
Movement Setting: Unknown
Plate: 3/4 Plate
Adjusted: Yes
Adjusted to Positions: Unknown
Railroad Grade: No
Notes: Am`n W Co



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March 14, 2014, 15:00
Paul King
Hello.
BEAUTIFUL 14s!!!
In regards to your case, do you know what kind it is?
I just recently acquired an older 18s Appleton that has essentially identical case marks and almost seems like it is solid, but the hub area has a clearly different hue (2 types of yellow gold)in a perfect line all the way around the hub... it is not a wear line. Some of what I have been able to find is that this is a "Chicago".. being pre Crescent case and MIGHT be something called "Stiffened Gold". Thoughts?