April 07, 2004, 12:32
Stephen L. RussellCan anyone identify this case mark?
This is a little cheap size 12 full hunter case.the mark is on the (curvette?)It should be from about the 1880's.
April 07, 2004, 12:44
Jerry TreimanI believe the mark may be for the Kenosha Watch Case Co. Unless this is a 12-size keywind or a Swiss watch it is later than your estimate. The first stemwind American 12-size was from Howard in 1891, but required a special case. Standard 12-size production in the U.S. began in 1896 with Waltham, followed shortly thereafter by Elgin.
April 07, 2004, 13:01
Stephen L. RussellThe watch in the case is a US watch co. serial number 72357..So could that translate to 1891-92?
Yes Jerry you are right on me estimating the case date wrong... I was early on the case..I used my memory

instead of a book!

Jerry I just did a google search and came up with nothing on Kenosha Watch Case Co..Do you know when were they around 'till?
Here is a picture of the movement.
This watch keeps real good time for a cheapie!
April 07, 2004, 13:32
Jerry FreedmanAccording to the new book by Kurtis Meyers, that profile was used by the Philadelphia Watch Case Co. The book indicates a date of 1911 for the trademark. If you havae the book, look at page 343.
April 07, 2004, 23:42
Jerry TreimanAt home now, with my references --
Stephen, your U.S. Waltham is a 6-size movement, made around 1891-92.
Kenosha Watch Case Co. registered their indian head trademark in 1891. You can see a larger version of it in the attached image (left side). It has the KENOSHA name on the band of the feather headdress. I don't know when they went out of business. Your mark certainly looks closer to one of the marks registered in 1911 by the Philadelphia Watch Case Co. (on the right side of the image). In fact, it is an almost exact mirror image of the one on the lower right.
October 20, 2015, 14:52
Roger StephensOld thread but thought I may have something to
contribute to it.I have a BW RAYMOND s/n8579139 circa 1900 in a case with the Indian head hallmark
and all this time thinking it to be a KENOSHA case.
I now think it is aPhiladelphia case gold filled,25
year.I think it is a recase.A pretty nice case with
a"CHOO-CHOO".Any comments appreciated.
Regards
Roger
October 20, 2015, 18:47
Kevin Hoffmanthat is a great train engraving , so many are just worn out