Internet Horology Club 185
Show us your Rockfords!
July 29, 2013, 18:01
Bill JonesShow us your Rockfords!
and one more
July 29, 2013, 18:02
Bill Jonespicture of hinge
July 29, 2013, 18:03
Bill Jonesand movement......love the blued screw heads!!
July 29, 2013, 18:03
Bill Jonesmovement pix #2
July 29, 2013, 18:04
Bill Jonesand without crystal
July 29, 2013, 20:47
Lorne WasylishenNice watch but I especially like the case.
If possible I would love to see a photo of the Ladd hallmark.
July 29, 2013, 22:09
Ken HabeebThe watch description sounds like an ad for it. What are you asking?!
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July 30, 2013, 00:48
Bill JonesHere you go, Lorne
July 30, 2013, 00:49
Bill Jonesand the patent date
July 30, 2013, 00:55
Bill JonesAnd upon Googling...F.X.(Francis Xavier) Guth and his brother were jewelers at the time in Clarion, Pa. They came from Germany. A whole family of jewelers it seems.
Ken, just contributing, not for sale, one of my first pocket watches.
July 30, 2013, 10:49
Lorne WasylishenThanks Richard, I had read about those markings but had never seen them.
Are the inside covers blank?
July 30, 2013, 11:55
Jon HartRichard,
Not trying to be mean, but just worried about the finger prints that are left all over the gilded plates. The residue transferred from your fingers will actually change to a rust colored impression on the gilded plates over time, if they are not removed with a Q-tip and light application of rubbing alcohol.
July 30, 2013, 18:32
Bill JonesThanks for your concerns, Jon. I have been neglectful/cautious since getting this watch 10-12 years ago. Things come up and my interest waned a little.
What you see on the movement was there before. They are in the pictures from 10-12 years ago. My concerns at the time, and I guess they still are my concerns, will the shiny appearance of the finish be affected at this point if it is cleaned?
This watch is next in line for my watchmaker to clean and oil, so any comments or suggestions from you or anyone visiting this thread is welcomed. I'll also have him regulate it somewhat.
Pretty cool having in your hands something that was around and in use when Gen. Custer was topping the hills at Little Big Horn.
July 30, 2013, 18:36
Bill JonesLorne, as in my first posting, a raised "anchor" is on the inside of the case indicating it is gold filled with a 25 year warranty . Nice enough to appear 14kt solid!!
July 30, 2013, 21:17
Ken HabeebWho do the fingerprints belong to? Research that.
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July 30, 2013, 21:38
Tom DunnEric, I have an opening...LOL
Those are 2 nice watches, the 17J is as nice an example condition wise of ANY Rockford I have ever seen!
August 01, 2013, 12:03
Tony DukesMy recent Rockford addition--Grade 89-sn-255385--gilt mvt.-15 jewels
August 02, 2013, 02:49
Ken Habeeb21j and 16s Plymouth [Rockford] Prince Of Wales (two-star watch **) with folk art.
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August 02, 2013, 02:49
Ken Habeebcase back ->
August 02, 2013, 02:50
Ken HabeebPrince of Wales movement
November 15, 2013, 17:17
Dave TurnerThis is my Grade 89 17J, but rated as a 15J?? Ser. No. 328009
PL Otto Wettstein, Rochelle, IL (Seller listed as a Hampden!)
Wonder how many more "conversions" there are out there?
Dave Turner
November 15, 2013, 17:20
Dave TurnerAnd the PL Dial:
Dave Turner
November 15, 2013, 20:27
Edward L. Parsons, Jr.Nice fleur-de-lis hands.
Best Regards,
Ed
November 16, 2013, 16:24
Larry CurtisNice watch Dave. I too have an Otto. , model 8 Grade 85.
November 16, 2013, 16:26
Larry CurtisThis is my first try at posting a photo, sorry for the poor quality. The watch deserves better display, for sure.
November 16, 2013, 16:31
Dave TurnerNice Larry,
Grade 85 is also rated as 15J, but yours looks like it also has the added center wheel jewel?? Wonder how common this is. Maybe Otto did it?
Love that case too!
Dave Turner
November 17, 2013, 09:03
Larry CurtisI am not sure how common the center wheel jewel is, but it appears to me to be a 15 jewel watch. With a serial number of 350592, the book says Ca 1891. The 2013 book on page 348 shows a Special Railway model 8 with a number in the same range to mine and it shows the jewel setting and is pegged as a 17 jewel. Maybe that is the difference? I rather doubt that Otto re-manufactured the movement. As for the case,it is a Blauer 14K, nicely engraved front and back as well as sides. Not the original to the movement but a fine complement to the watch.
November 22, 2013, 14:09
Michael LogginsMy only Rockford is a 12s in a display case, 21 jewels, adj to heat & cold, sn 835931. Don't know date of production or grade. Any info on these would be appreciated.
November 22, 2013, 14:16
Dave TurnerMichael,
You probably already have this information, but it's 1 of a total run of only 1000 manufactured in 1910: Which makes it pretty scarce!
Grade: 370
Adjusted
Movement Serial Number:835931
Estimated Production Year: 1910
Run Quantity: 1000
Size: 12s
Jewels: 21j
Movement Configuration: Hunting
Movement Finish: Nickel
Model: 1
Movement Setting: Pendant
Plate: 3/4 Plate
Adjusted: Yes
Adjusted to Positions: Unknown
Railroad Grade: No
Dave Turner
November 22, 2013, 14:17
Jon HartMichael,
You have a "rare" Rockford with only 1000 of the 370 being made back in da day...
Grade: 370
Adjusted
Movement Serial Number:835931
Estimated Production Year: 1910
Run Quantity: 1000
Size: 12s
Jewels: 21j
Movement Configuration: Hunting
Movement Finish: Nickel
Model: 1
Movement Setting: Pendant
Plate: 3/4 Plate
Adjusted: Yes
Adjusted to Positions: Unknown
Railroad Grade: No
November 23, 2013, 14:04
Michael LogginsThanks for your replies. One question is that my watch is an open face watch and not a hunting configuration. Not sure what to make of that.
November 23, 2013, 14:49
Dave TurnerMost likely somewhere in the past someone put your watch in an OF case. Happens all the time.
Dave Turner
November 23, 2013, 17:16
Lorne WasylishenCould be an error in the data base which is not uncommon.
The more observations we post the more accurate it will become.
Page 369, 2013 Fatty shows Michael's configuration as:
Model 2
12 size
3/4 plate
bridge
open face
pendant set