Internet Horology Club 185
Illinois 21 Jewel Bunn Special Gothic Dial.

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November 29, 2012, 20:57
Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
Illinois 21 Jewel Bunn Special Gothic Dial.
What serial number did Illinois switch from this Gothic Dial?


November 30, 2012, 08:14
Mark Cross
They were also used on Abe Lincoln's. Mine is dated 1910. I know it doesn't answer your question, but it may give you another data point to look at.

Regard! Mark
November 30, 2012, 10:59
Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
Thanks Mark. I will search that one also. I have spent a couple of hours looking up the Illinois links and searching on IHC185. The reason I'm asking is I have 3 Bunn Special 18s and only one has this dial but all three serial numbers are under 3,000,000. So I think maybe two of them have the more modern dial and may not be correct.
November 30, 2012, 12:44
Mark Cross
I'm probably wrong (and I usually am), but weren't these special order rather than standard dials?
If so, that might explain your 3 watch differences.
Regards! Mark
November 30, 2012, 12:55
Lindell V. Riddle

Harry,

Reporting in with 18-size Bunn Specials...

I have your style Gothic Numerals dial on a 24-Jewel Bunn Special number 1788786 from 1905 and a 17-Jewel Bunn number 1826583 which is also from 1905 as well as a 21-Jewel Bunn Special from 1906 production. A later example of the 19-Jewel Bunn number 2443299 from 1912 fronts a Full Montgomery Gothic Numerals version with "Illinois" block-letter signature then finally my 23-Jewel Bunn Special number 2858888 from 1915 has a large seconds register dial like we normally associate with 16-size Bunn Specials of the mid-teens to late 1920s time-frame, it looks like a bigger version of a 16-size Bunn Special at first glance.

All five of those watches are 3000000 and the three like yours are 1905-06 examples.

To Mark's question, far as I know the dials like Harry's would have been standard issue, Illinois used similar looking dials on both 16 and 18-size watches, everything from A. Lincoln through Sangamo examples.

Lindell

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November 30, 2012, 12:56
Mark Cross
Darn it, Fearless Leader, where in the WORLD have you been hiding?! I always learn something when you post here! Smile

Thanks!

Regards! Mark
November 30, 2012, 12:59
Lindell V. Riddle

Thanks Mark, even an ole' dawg like me Razz appreciates a pat on the head Smile now and then.

Wink
November 30, 2012, 14:14
Mark Cross
Big Grin

Seriously, I've missed your posts, my friend. Stay well!

HIGH regards! Mark
November 30, 2012, 14:37
Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
Thank you Mark and Lindell.

Ok from what I think I am understanding it looks like maybe two of the watches I have have the correct dials.

I was mistaken only two of the three are under 3,000,000.

Please take a look at the picture. I have two dials and the serial numbers are under the dials I have. I think the watch with serial number 1,340,565 has the wrong dial. I believe it is too modern. I also believe the other two are correct. If I am correct which dial should the 1,340,565 watch have?

Thanks again for your help.


December 02, 2012, 18:58
Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
Just brining this back up looking for some more info.

Thanks
December 03, 2012, 01:55
Richard Romero
quote:
If I am correct which dial should the 1,340,565 watch have?


The dial on the left.

RR
December 03, 2012, 11:46
Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
Thank you Richard. I was afraid that was the dial. I was hoping it could have used either dial. Oh well at least I know now and I can keep an eye out for a good dial at hopefully a good price.