February 12, 2011, 18:28
Eugene BuffardAny info on this marking on an 18sz Illinois would be helpful.
This is on a Columbia 18sz Illinois
February 12, 2011, 19:54
Buster BeckWell Columbia was a Private label on some Kw 11J 18sz models The other symbol appears to be I &. F, or perhaps L &. F All of the Columbia's I have seen did not have the other engraving but then I have only seen a few anyhow since they don't command my attention.
regards,
bb
February 12, 2011, 21:56
David AbbeSome of the 9700 Illinois "Columbia" watches were produced for the "Independent Watch Co.", Fredonia, New York which may explain the signature under "Columbia" on the Movement. Also, I see that yours is a fifth pinion movement which was usually done on the early Stem wind-Lever set movements. I can find out more if you can give me the serial number.
February 13, 2011, 08:42
Eugene BuffardSerial # 348962. I can see a L&F which actually I know it was never a railroad watch. But I try to collect things that are unusual. Thanks every one for any info that you can give me. It is a stem and key wind and a lever set. It is also in a Blauer Coin #65834
February 13, 2011, 13:18
David AbbeThis was a "short run" of 100 watches made in December 1881 that immediatly followed a "mixed" run of Independent Watch Co. and other movements. I believe that the "C&F" (?) Initials on yours are certainly a short run for some Jeweler or watchmaker.
If that great case and dial present as well as the movement. you have a great collectible!
February 13, 2011, 14:46
Eugene BuffardThe dial is not in that good of condition. But a original housed Illinois in a coin case For $50. I guess I'll keep it for a while.