Internet Horology Club 185
Lancaster Keystone
April 04, 2009, 18:55
Steve GossardLancaster Keystone
I would like to see some other Lancaster Watch Co. movements. They interest me because they were a forerunner to the Hamilton Company.
April 04, 2009, 18:58
Steve GossardI suppose the Aurora Company has as much claim as Lancaster, but neither of them resemble the later Hamiltons at all.
April 04, 2009, 19:01
Steve GossardThis seems like pretty humble origins for what the Hamilton Company was to become. I would like to see some other Lancaster watches, though, if someone could post them.
April 04, 2009, 19:02
Tom BrownI have always liked the little window they made in those movements, I have yet to own one but am always tempted when I see them for sale.
Tom
April 04, 2009, 20:06
David AbbeThis is a Lancaster "New Era" KWKS that I did rercently and posted
April 04, 2009, 20:08
David AbbeThe movement has the "beginnings" of Hamilton stuff with a "full circle" Pallet Bridge
April 05, 2009, 09:29
Steve GossardThat is a cool watch, Dave!
April 05, 2009, 16:59
Gerald ZimmermannBack to the roots of hamilton.
Has someone a photo of an "Adams & Perry" Lancaster watch?
Regards Gerald
April 06, 2009, 20:23
David Abbe"Now ya Done it", I remembered I had a couple of these "Dustproof" things, so after about an hour of rummage I found 1 and it is trying to run! So, mebbe I can do a pictorial restoration . . .
April 06, 2009, 21:23
Edward KitnerAll right, David! Your pictorial restorations are a great teaching tool.
April 06, 2009, 22:16
Steve GossardThese are very interesting watches, I think. In the days before paved roads it was probably even more important to make them dust proof.
Steve G.
April 07, 2009, 14:27
David AbbeThe SPL of a Steam Locomotive was about 80 - 100 dBa. At 15 PSI, 100 dBa of 20 Hz sound is about a 50% SPL shockwave or about 7.5 PSI. With that "pumping" both the front and back covers of an engineers watch in a Locomotive cab, it is Gonna Get Dirty just by breathing volumes of air and coal dust and other crud through the winding stem.
April 08, 2009, 07:08
Steve GossardHmmmm! I suppose that's why they had to have frequent periodic inspections and service. That makes sense. Thanks.
Steve G.
April 08, 2009, 23:52
David AbbeWell . . Tonight I got this disassembly going of the "Dustproof" Keystone.
When Steve posted his pictures of the "Dustproof", he mused; "I suppose the Aurora Company has as much claim as Lancaster, but neither of them resemble the later Hamiltons at all."
Steve, there are a couple common points with this to the Hamiltons after all. First . . . The Dust Ring is Fully Machined the same as Hamiltons were. This is quite unique to these watches as most dust rings were cheaper stamped and rolled method parts . . .
April 08, 2009, 23:55
David AbbeThe other most obvious "signature" part of the family to become "Hamilton" is the Pallet Bridge (or "cock") which is a full circle ring, quite uniquely Keystone/Lancaster/Hamilton . . .
April 08, 2009, 23:57
David AbbeSwing out Dust Cap for the Balance wheel has a Cold Solderd in Mica "Window', Cute, Expensive and fundamentally a waste of money except to advertise it is there.
April 09, 2009, 00:05
David AbbeAs the Pallet Staff is Not Jeweled, this is a ten (10) Jewel movement, with 1 Roller Pin, 2 Balance staff Pivots, 2 Balance Staff Caps, two Pallet Stones, and 3 pressed in "Swiss" friction Jewels (mostly for show).
That said, it still has
4 Mean Time Screws!April 09, 2009, 00:09
David AbbeOh, I found a couple other things left inside the movement by the last service person.

Maybe they were reassembling it during lunch time.
I expect to report the reassembly later this week, but have no plans to re-use these two "parts".

April 09, 2009, 05:45
Dr. Debbie Irvine
Dave,
That is too funny - those "additional" items! 
Debbie

April 09, 2009, 09:08
Steve GossardThis is a fascinating analysis of the general, and personal character of this watch. I think you should publish a weekly column like this and take a different watch apart each week. It could be like the Tappit Brothers on the radio!
Steve G.
April 12, 2009, 18:48
David AbbeNow comes the "Put Together" part . . .
Firstly, more odd notes, a three-piece "SCREW-TOGETHER" Pallet Fork!(first one for me that actually used a screw!)
Then there is the strange Balance Cock Regulator that is actually "just like the pictures" in the Patent! Ugly and complicated!
In re-assembly, the wheel train turns out to actually be a 16 size. About the only "big part" is the motor.
Oddly in this watch it is safer to place and assemble the Pallet Fork/Bridge set before putting down the top plate!
All in all, I would bet that there were many watch makers who charge a premium cleaning fee for the Keystone "dustless! It takes about twice the time as "normal".
April 12, 2009, 18:51
David AbbeOn the "wind and set side" it is completely different from any other I have seen, and easier to reassemble. It uses a very unique "Teeter-Totter" rocking bar mounted transfer wheel to engage the time setting.
April 12, 2009, 18:53
David AbbeIt goes together very nicely in the (what looks to be) original "Daisy" Hunter Case
April 12, 2009, 18:55
David AbbeDon't ask me how, but two years ago, I got this (somewhere

) for $38.00.
A swell deal after a couple hours work to clean it up and get it running.
April 13, 2009, 12:38
Steve GossardWhat a beautiful watch! I'd bet that was the highest grade they made. What do you think?
April 13, 2009, 12:58
Jerry KingDave, what turns out to be a super looking watch....As they say....
From out of the ashes comes....
Great job on another restoration piece....
Regards,
Jerry
April 13, 2009, 14:40
David AbbeSteve and Jerry, I agree, it turned out beautifully and will remain with my personal "stash" as representative of that phase of watch evolution. A watch that had all the disadvantages of an early full plate movement including full disassembly to replace the mainspring. Plus added design features that made the "3/4 plate" design laborious and hazardous to service.
That must explain the short life of this particular watch movement.
All that said, it keeps darn good time and is reeeeeel purdy!