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Anyone Know This Watch Maker

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November 17, 2012, 13:47
David Flegel
Anyone Know This Watch Maker
Help To Iderntify Maker, Watch Year and Value
Crystal is semi thick.
Key Wind and Key Set
Case is triple hinged
Pendent where bow attaches is also stamped cannot read.


November 17, 2012, 13:47
David Flegel
Very Fancy dial. See other pics


November 17, 2012, 13:48
David Flegel
Chain looks to be marked 12 KG, does not appear to be gold.


November 17, 2012, 13:48
David Flegel
Dial looks good


November 17, 2012, 13:49
David Flegel
Very low SN


November 17, 2012, 13:50
David Flegel
Same marks back cover and cuvette
Looks to have initials J.D on top of marks R.J.P. om bottom.
The lion I think indicates sterling.
The R possibly 1892 as the year.
The other I don't know.


November 17, 2012, 14:09
Tom Brunton
hi david; could the chain be marked 12KGF??
November 17, 2012, 14:36
David Flegel
Tom

It could be there maybe another letter there it is very hard to see and read. Were you thinking white gold filled?
November 17, 2012, 14:53
Tom Brunton
often the mark is 1/20 12KGF
November 17, 2012, 15:06
David Flegel
TOM;

You are right on. There is a 1/20 at the beginning had not noticed it before.
November 17, 2012, 18:51
Tom Brown
The sterling marks are for Chester England and the capital R is either 1835 or 1900, I can't tell which, part of it is determined by the shape of the symbol the R is stamped into.
November 17, 2012, 21:09
David Abbe
My thought is that a Fusee with pinned plates is more likely 1835. It is definetly English made probably form a panoply of Swiss and English mmaterial.
November 18, 2012, 18:23
David Flegel
Thanks for all input on the watch. I have found out a few more things since posting this and after hours of chasing down marks. The initials RJP on the case are for Robert John Pike an English watch maker around the turn of the century, also found initials on the pendent C.H I believe for Charles Horner Silversmith again around the turn of the century. Although Charles Horner himself died 1896, the company went on. The SN on the watch and case is the same so I am thinking the watch is Pike and the case Horner. Does this seem reasonable to you? There is another initial on the case J.D that I have not been able to identify. This would put the date in the 1900 time frame.
November 19, 2012, 12:49
Jerry Freedman
David: RJP is the case maker and CH is the pendant maker. This is common with English watches. The mark on the regulator scale indicates a Coventry source for this watch. The case date is for 1900 and is of course sterling silver. And yet the style of the watch looks older. Another puzzle. Many English watches are unmarked as to the maker.
Jerry Freedman