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Early American 16s Watches

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December 10, 2008, 09:51
Tom Brown
Early American 16s Watches
I know what you mean Steve, I have a couple more of these movements but no cases.

Tom
December 10, 2008, 11:24
Steve Gossard
That is a nice watch! The only drawback with these is that the cases are getting hard to find.
December 10, 2008, 11:26
Steve Gossard
And some of them are worn out or have been abused over the years.
December 12, 2008, 11:23
Steve Gossard
Judging by how few people responded to my request I think these watches must be even more scarce than I thought!
December 13, 2008, 21:15
Edward Kitner
Ok guys, I'm going to ask my dumb question for the day. What is a convertable, and why?
December 13, 2008, 22:36
Tom Brown
With the Elgin it can be made as an open face or a hunter. By just moving a few parts.

If you notice in these photos the movement has two holes for the winding stem, one at 12 & the other at 3. By moving the winding mechanism to either place you change it from open to hunter or back.

Tom

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December 13, 2008, 22:49
Tom Brown
They never did catch on & just as they were trying to solve the problem of making both open face & hunter movements, they created a new problem, these movements are thicker than the standard movement so they will not fit in just any case.

Tom

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December 14, 2008, 14:21
Lawrence P. Jones
Steve,
Sorry, no pictures to add but I do enjoy yours as well as others. I did key on the comment about inflation. This is a link that the US Gov. has for an inflation calculator. http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl It only goes back to 1913 when they started tracking inflation. But if you were to have purchased your model No. 91 then for $180.00 that is $3937.69 in todays dollars according to the calculator. I always find this an interesting exercise when I am looking at today's values verses original cost.

LJ
December 14, 2008, 19:29
Edward Kitner
Tom,
Thanks for the explanation and pics.
To me it sounds like a good idea, but i am sure the extra size killed the project.
Did other mfg's try it, or did they learn from Elgin's mistake?
December 14, 2008, 19:42
Tom Brown
Hi Edward

Glad you could understand my explanation.

The only other one I know of is New York Standard Watch Co. also tried one, I have never seen it so I am not sure how their's worked.

There was also a case made called a Muckle after it's maker, the inner movement holder rotates and one side of the movement has a glass front & the other side has a hinged cover, so any movement you have in it can be and open face or a hunter. I would like to have one of those cases but when I see them come up on ebay they go for a pretty penny.

Tom
December 15, 2008, 09:14
Steve Gossard
Thanks a lot for the feedback, guys! Rockford had a convertable of another sort. On some models there was c little button in the back plate that would convert from a lever set to pendent set.
December 15, 2008, 09:16
Steve Gossard
Thanks, too for the conversion table. It is interesting to think how the values (monetary, at least) compare.
December 15, 2008, 21:43
David Abbe
This 1885 Vintage Columbus 15 Jewel "Adjusted" has my curiosity really going. It seems to predate the "New" Columbus, and has the most fascinating regulator, . . . almost like it came from the mind of Mr. Gruen himself.


December 15, 2008, 22:43
Steve Gossard
Great watch! The plate layout reminds me of some Movado watches I've seen.
January 04, 2009, 11:21
Steve Gossard
Here is one more 16s Elgin convertible, very characteristic of these models...


January 04, 2009, 11:22
Steve Gossard
...but the dial is, I think, exceptional.


January 04, 2009, 11:23
Steve Gossard
I think it hqs a certain understated elegance. Thanks to everyone who responded to my request!

Steve


January 04, 2009, 13:03
Mike Sandell
Steve you got a lot of nice early 16sz Elgins