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How to properly denote a hairline crack on a dial?

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February 26, 2012, 00:20
Dennis Glore
How to properly denote a hairline crack on a dial?
Hello everyone,

So I'm learning and am looking for some education as to how to properly denote hairline cracks on a dial?

For example, I have a watch that an individual told me had a hairline crack at 39 m9n. I've attached a photo of the dial for your review.

I believe what the individual saw was a scratch on the crystal but I do think there is a hairline from the center post to the sub-dial at 21 to 27.

I guess the education I'm looking for is with regards to the 39 m9n - what does that mean? I'm assuming 39 minutes but what does the m9n mean?

Thanks in advance for the help!! - Dennis


February 26, 2012, 00:29
Edward L. Parsons, Jr.
Welcome aboard Dennis!

Hairlines usually show up pretty well in digital photos if you take off the bezel. They can be hard to see under a thick glass crystal.

To find hairlines I put on my spectacle loupe and examine the dial under strong light. When you look at the reflections, you can spot all the hairlines easily, even those that haven't broken out on the surface of the dial yet.


Best Regards,

Ed
February 26, 2012, 00:39
Dennis Glore
Hi Ed,

Thank you for the welcome! That makes sense regarding a digital photo without the bezel. I've uploaded one. I can also upload a higher definition pic to a website if that helps so please let me know...but in the meantime - what do you think? Am I correct on denoting using 27, 28, 29 with reference to the minutes? But what did this individual mean when they said m9n? I'm assuming it's a fractional location? Thanks again - Dennis


February 26, 2012, 01:21
Ray Hallenbeck
Welcome Dennis,
I enlarged the last picture you posted and it looks like there might be the start of a hairline at the 38 to 39 minute mark along the outside of the dial. I think the person meant the 39 minute mark as that looks like the only line i can see anywhere on the dial.
February 26, 2012, 01:44
Robert V. Jones
Isnt that another one from bottom of center hole curved down to the 10 second mark on the seconds bit


tymekeeper005
February 26, 2012, 04:43
Bill Churchwell
Good eye, Robert!


bchur
February 26, 2012, 11:47
Dennis Glore
Hi Robert - yep, that's the one I see also. Is the correct way to denote it as "from center hole curved down to the 10 second mark" or do you say "from center hole to the sub-dail at 21 to 27" or does it make any difference how you denote it so long as you do? I'm trying to figure out what is the standard/correct way to say there's a hairline crack here and over here and so forth.
February 26, 2012, 13:47
Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
Man you guys eyes are better than mine.
February 26, 2012, 14:01
Michael Loggins
There also appears to be a hairline between the 29 seconds bit and the 30 seconds bit that runs through the red 3.
February 26, 2012, 14:14
Mike Hodge
m9n is probably a typo for min. I make lots of typos so I can relate.
February 26, 2012, 15:29
Lindell V. Riddle

I agree with Mike on the "m9m" typo.

The only negatives on that dial that I can see Roll Eyes are the hairline issues at 38 minutes and below the center as mentioned previously. The chip at the lever it worth noting of course. This one looks good, we need to keep our objectivity when evaluating a something like one hundred ten year old porcelain-enamel dial.

If you want to get picky Eek only the hour hand looks like a Hamilton, the other two are after-market. Things like that stand out to me. Speaking of "picky" in evaluation, Razz it always helps to have the movement number so we can place it properly in relation to original watches. That's me Cool getting picky!

Seeing the lever at 11 minutes tells me this is an 18-size movement.

Lindell

Wink

February 27, 2012, 11:36
Dennis Glore
Thanks everyone for the feedback!! Mike, now that you say it's probably a typo that would make sense! I guess the 9 is directly above the letter i on a keyboard.