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need help with this watch & maker

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February 16, 2005, 19:59
Cheryl Ohland
need help with this watch & maker
Trying to ID this maker..Adolf Schneider / Dresden

google turned this info up...

http://www.demesy.com/histories/lange_sohne.html

this watch is in a heavy 18kt HC case with matching serial #'s on both movement & case and same dimensions as the watch in the Hess auction
can anyone help??
thanks..
cheryl o........


February 16, 2005, 21:15
Sheila Gilbert
The genealogy of Glashütte watchmaking - located in Saxony's Müglitz Valley - begins to 1845.

Ferdinand Adolph Lange of Dresden acquired a state loan and founded the first Glashütte watchmaking company, cross-training the area's weavers and miners.

He was soon joined by a veritable assortment of master watchmakers - Ernest Kasiske, Julius Assmann, Ludwig Strasser, Gustav Rohde and Adolf Schneider.


Sheila
February 16, 2005, 21:42
John Pavlik
Cheryl,

Nice to hear from you again.. Movement appears to be an Adolf Lange from Dresden Germany.. But that is a uneducated guess...Very high quality if it is...it appears correct..jeweling, bridge layout, ect..
February 18, 2005, 08:52
Tom McIntyre
Schneider was one of the founders of the Glasshutte school of watchmaking. His watches are very similar to those of Lange as are the watches of Grossman and others who were involved. Lange is just the best known and most productive of the group.

I have a very slow connection here and did not read all of the above material. This is essentially a duplicate affirmation of the information. Wink
February 18, 2005, 10:14
Lindell V. Riddle

WOW!!!

Had to put on my shades...

Cheryl, you continue to keep coming up with beautiful and worthwhile items.

Very important watch. Has everyone picked up on the exhibition 18K solid gold case?

Absolutely gorgeous, and a lower serial number than Jeff sold recently.

Lindell

Wink

February 18, 2005, 13:06
Bernhard Schmidt
Hi Cheryl!
That´s some european quality for a change, isn´t it?! Really nice and beautiful.
/Bernhard
February 18, 2005, 20:01
David Fahrenholz
Yes,
that is a nice example of German watchmaking. Cheryl what case is that in?


David Fahrenholz
February 18, 2005, 20:41
Cheryl Ohland
Thanks so much guys &(and gals) for the info...

David,the watch is housed in a 18kt case, fancy punch marked " M.F. & Co. ",serial # same as the movement with a quilted body and nice engine turned front and back.Measures 53mm across!
Very boxy and heavy.
Here is a photo of the front...

Hi John Pavlik!

cheryl o......


February 18, 2005, 22:47
Sheila Gilbert
Could the Case be a
Monnier & Frey/ M.F. & Co. (Frey & Co.)
Are the Letters inside a Triangle?


Sheila
February 19, 2005, 15:02
Jerry Treiman
If the case logo looks like this it is from Marshall Field & Co. in Chicago.


February 19, 2005, 16:58
Sheila Gilbert
This is the one I mentioned above.
Do you have a picture of the Hallmarks on the Case?

M&F Co1



Sheila
February 19, 2005, 18:49
Cheryl Ohland
HI GUYS,
HERE IS A SNAP OF THE MARK..
THANKS FOR ALL YOUR HELP

CHERYL O........


March 06, 2005, 14:32
Bernhard Schmidt
Hi all!
Does this movement look like a true glashütte to you? I have hard to read what is written but maybe you can tell from the shape of the bridges and so on. Look at the regulator!
Regards!
Bernhard


March 06, 2005, 18:39
Jeffrey P. Hess
Hmmm

Many times watches were marketed to German countries (and nearby countries) as "German" that were acutally swiss with a German looking ebauche.

That is what you have here IMO.

Anyone else have an idea.. I could certainly be wrong but that baby has GOT to be swiss...

Jeff
March 06, 2005, 19:04
Tom McIntyre
I will probably go along with Jeff on this one. However, there sure are a lot of Glasshute earmarks. The square arbor with the dog screw is usually definitive of German.

However, the square cross is the Swiss patent mark and Spiral Palladium (if that is what I am reading) looks like Non-Magnetic Watch Co. of Geneva content.

Is the maker name Borel & somebody?

For watches like this I am not sure it really matters which country the assembly work was actually performed in. The watch is clearly an international effort with intellectual content from both Switzerland and Germany.