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Two more private labels

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February 13, 2009, 16:33
Steve Gossard
Two more private labels
Here are two more Illinois private labels and companions. First a Henry Birkenbusch from Pekin, Illinois grade 65 18 size SN 1,256,770:


February 13, 2009, 16:34
Steve Gossard
Well, okay, this is the clock companion to the watch:


February 13, 2009, 16:35
Steve Gossard
Here is the watch:


February 13, 2009, 16:36
Steve Gossard
The dial:


February 13, 2009, 16:38
Steve Gossard
The other is a J. H. Schmith of Clinton, Illinois Illinois 17j Bunn SN 1,248,792:


February 13, 2009, 16:39
Steve Gossard
and the dial:


February 13, 2009, 16:40
Steve Gossard
Its companion, a Hamilton 924 SN 166,757:


February 13, 2009, 16:41
Steve Gossard
And the dial side:


February 13, 2009, 19:09
Tom Brown
Steve

It looks like your J.H. Schmith was John H. Schmith, he is shown in the 1910 census as living in Clinton & being about 53, he was born in Indiana & both his parents were from Germany. He is listed as a jeweler at a jewelery store. He is married & has a son & daughter
February 13, 2009, 19:22
Tom Brown
Also your Henry Birkenbusch was living in Pekins in the 1930 census as a jeweler, he was borni about 1857 in Maryland & both his parents were from Germany. He was married, his son Louis A. also was employed as a jeweler.

Tom
February 14, 2009, 01:41
David Abbe
Steve, I am GREEN with envy for that Illinois Bunn, the dial, the movement, they are "Awesome"! It is interesting they always seem to make the 4 o'clock roman with IIII instead of IV, but those early hand-drawn numerals with that outstanding graphic style are just amazing to me. In the 1890's People did that by the sunlight through dirty windows and gas lights, etc.,etc.
February 14, 2009, 11:16
Steve Gossard
It was a remarkable craft, or should I say ART? Thanks David!
February 14, 2009, 14:14
Mary Ann Scott
Steve - did you buy the Schmith's together or happen across them separately? The same with the Birkenbusch's. If bought separately, it must have been a "wow" moment when you saw the second one and thought "I have one of those"! Great watches and clock Big Grin
February 14, 2009, 23:35
Steve Gossard
Thanks Mary Ann. I bought them all separately, and was surprised and delighted each time. On a separate note, I have a Peoria Non-magnetic that with an Iowa jeweler's name on it, and one of my good friends here in town told me that he has one just like it. That coincidence really amazed me!

Steve G.
February 15, 2009, 00:36
Steve Gossard
Here is how the conversation went, as well as I can recall. I told my friend that I collected watches.
My friend: My wife has a watch that's been in the family for as long as anybody can remember. I was looking at it just the other day. It's a great big thing. It has a lid on it that opens when you push in on the thing that winds it up.
Me: Oh, yes. That's called a "hunting case." I like those.
MF: Yea. It has a name on it, and I remember, Davenport, Iowa.
Me: Really? I didn't know there was a watch factory in Davenport.
MF: Yes, and the name on it was, I think Rice, or something like that.
Me: Rice? Reis! Was it Henry Reis? Good gosh, do you have a Henry Reis watch from Davenport, Iowa? I have one of those, too!
MF: Yes, that was it, Reis, do you, really?

I don't think he quite believed me.

Me: Does it have any other maker's name on it? MF: No, nothing.
Me: ... like Elgin, Illinois or Hamilton?
MF: I think something "Magnet" or "Magnetic," something like that.

At this point I goggled like a sock monkey.

Me: No kidding? You have a Henry Reis, Davenport Paillard's Patent Non-magnetic Peoria watch?
MF: Well... I guess so. If you say so...
Me: Well, that's just amazing!
MF: Is it?

I explained to him that the Peoria company made comparatively few watches, even fewer private label watches, and of course fewer still for Henry Reis.
Me: It's just incredible that we are even having this conversation!
MF: You think so?
February 15, 2009, 02:19
Mary Ann Scott
Great story, Steve! I guess you have since met again to show off and compare the watches. The first thing I thought of after reading this was the theory "Six Degrees of Separation". Although maybe a bit fewer degrees in your case. Fascinating!
February 15, 2009, 19:28
Ray Hallenbeck
Nice watches and clock Steve,
I have an 18s Illinois PL Henry Birkenbusch serial # 1055095

Ray
February 15, 2009, 20:37
Steve Gossard
Really? Is it a Non-magnetic?

Thanks a lot, guys!

Steve G.
February 15, 2009, 20:43
Steve Gossard
OOps, I spoke too soon again. You have a Birkenbusch! Great! Maybe one of our experts can tell us something about this guy. My book dates that as an 1890 piece. Can you post a picture?

Steve G.
February 15, 2009, 21:49
Tom Brown
Henry Reis is listed in the 1900 census as living in Davenport & born May 1831 in Germany, he living with his daughter Martha. He is listed as a retail jeweler.

The image is from the 1877 city directory for Davenport.

Tom

1877

February 16, 2009, 11:46
Steve Gossard
Thanks again, Tom. I always appreciate the new information.
Great watch, Ray! I think the 7 jewel Illinois are kind of rare. Thanks for posting the pictures.

Steve
January 18, 2016, 22:08
Bila Wirriganwalters
Hi All,

I know this thread is very old but I have a 18s Bunn Special Hunter Tu-Tone gold inlaid 3rd pattern with Henry Birkenbusch Pekin Illinois signature on dial and movement. He was a watch inspector for the AT & SF in the late 1890's. Does anyone know the production of the 18s Bunn Special Hunters and what the value of this might be?

Thanks to Everyone