Marked South-Bend 313 movements - how common? (Now, add yours to our Database!)

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December 06, 2006, 21:50

Jeffrey Tibbs

Marked South-Bend 313 movements - how common? (Now, add yours to our Database!)

Hello

Another question for the South Bend folks. Looking through my 2006 watch guide, the grade 313 watch has two listings - marked and unmarked. The Marked variety commands a premium over the unmarked. According to the serial # list that is in the watch guide there are 8 Runs of 1000 each -total of 8000 313's produced. Does anyone have an educated guess as to how much less common the marked variety is? I ask because the only 313's I recall seeing have been the marked variety and both of the 313's I own are the marked version.

Thanks
Jeff

December 07, 2006, 13:41

Frank Kusumoto

Jeff,

That's a mistake you've come across, see graph to be posted below. Lindell is working on having those listings corrected and he is also in the process of updating the entire South-Bend section.

Best regards,

Frank

December 07, 2006, 18:52

Frank Kusumoto

Here are some confirmed 313 sightings:

1st Run (542001-543000) This run was once believed unmarked as to Grade (???)
542014 <<< Image shown below in this topic, MARKED 313, all numbers match.
542052
542215
542717 MARKED 313
542914

2nd Run (553001-554000) ALL MARKED "313"
533055
553044
553231
553376
553677
553734
553812

3rd Run (560001-561000) ALL MARKED "313"
560086
560089
560235
560935
560985

4th Run (571001-572000) ALL MARKED "313"
571004
571210
571215
571242
571605

5th Run (601001-602000) ALL MARKED "313"
601077
601790

6th Run (701001-702000) ALL MARKED "313"
701238
701768

7th Run (731001-732000) ALL MARKED "313"
731101
731258
731478
731605
731761

8th Run (756001-757000) ALL MARKED "313"
756340
756427

December 07, 2006, 22:24

Jeffrey Tibbs

Thanks Frank

I thought something was up when I have seen so many marked watches. Thanks for all that is freely shared on the site.

Happy Holidays to all

Jeff

April 09, 2010, 15:38

Lindell V. Riddle

Since some of the earlier postings, we re-wrote the South-Bend section of "Complete Guide to Watches" including Grade 313 listings and made some corrections, be sure to do a full review of what you will find in next year's watch guide.

A recent topic "18s railroad watches?" got me going on the South-Bend Grade 313 so I updated Frank's post above, turning it and therefore this entire topic into a hopefully comprehensive 313 Database for additional interest. Take a moment to read that topic all the way through. The watch shown below was "Railroad Approved" and carried by my dad on the Bessemer and Lake Erie Railroad, the story of which is linked above and hopefully some of you may find it of interest.

Here is our marked 313 number 756427 from the final run...

April 09, 2010, 23:25

Jared Brinker

We have serial numbers:

542014
553055
560089
560235
571210
701238

Note the attached picture, it is a first run marked 313, so not all of the first run were unmarked. Barrel Cover serial number matches.

April 10, 2010, 07:08

Lindell V. Riddle

Thanks Jared!

Please confirm which of those listed in your post above are MARKED 313 and which (IF ANY) are UNMARKED AS TO GRADE as this in important to what will help establish the record on these movements and later this year will lead to our request for watch guide revisions to page 371 of the South-Bend Grade 313 listings and also upgrade most of the others.

Lindell

April 10, 2010, 08:18

Jared Brinker

Lindell-

All of those I listed are marked... Been waiting to find an unmarked for a couple years and have yet to find one. Hopefully one of these days!

April 11, 2010, 12:47

Richard Romero

I've got the following serial nunbers all marked "313"

553044
571242
701768

RR

April 11, 2010, 15:56

Ted Valdez

I have S/N 542717 which is Marked 313 Ted

December 31, 2010, 03:34

John J. Flahive III

731797 marked 313 on ebay.

January 01, 2011, 20:50

Ernie Loga

I have number 756340. It is marked from run 8.

November 04, 2014, 13:45

Claude Griffith

Ok I picked up one from the 6th run, marked with the sn 701381 with a dial that is labeled Pioneer Standard with Roman Numerals.

I will post pictures when it arrives

November 05, 2014, 13:59

Rafal Woler

1st Run (542001-543000) This run was once believed unmarked as to Grade (???)
542014 <<< Image shown above in this topic, MARKED 313, all numbers match.
542052
542215
542717 MARKED 313
542914

2nd Run (553001-554000) ALL MARKED "313"
533055
553044
553231
553376
553677
553734
553812

3rd Run (560001-561000) ALL MARKED "313"
560086
560089
560235
560531
560935
560985
560993 -updated from Gary's post from 6.12.2014

4th Run (571001-572000) ALL MARKED "313"
571004
571210
571215
571242
571605
571876

5th Run (601001-602000) ALL MARKED "313"
601077
601227
601355
601790

6th Run (701001-702000) ALL MARKED "313"
701238
701381
701768

7th Run (731001-732000) ALL MARKED "313"
731101
731258
731478
731605
731761

8th Run (756001-757000) ALL MARKED "313"
756340
756427 (Lindell's image above in this topic)

I updated our list with Claude's number and 3 of mine (2 watches are donors, one running).
update: added 601227

Rafal