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IHC Member 537
Picture of Jeffrey Tibbs
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Hello

Another question for the South Bend folks. Looking through my 2006 watch guide, the grade 313 watch has two listings - marked and unmarked. The Marked variety commands a premium over the unmarked. According to the serial # list that is in the watch guide there are 8 Runs of 1000 each -total of 8000 313's produced. Does anyone have an educated guess as to how much less common the marked variety is? I ask because the only 313's I recall seeing have been the marked variety and both of the 313's I own are the marked version.

Thanks
Jeff
 
Posts: 167 | Location: Dublin, Ohio in the USA | Registered: June 04, 2005
IHC Life Member
South-Bend Expert
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posted
Jeff,

That's a mistake you've come across, see graph to be posted below. Lindell is working on having those listings corrected and he is also in the process of updating the entire South-Bend section.

Best regards,

Frank
 
Posts: 1045 | Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A. | Registered: October 08, 2004
IHC Life Member
South-Bend Expert
Picture of Frank Kusumoto
posted
Here are some confirmed 313 sightings:

1st Run (542001-543000) This run was once believed unmarked as to Grade (???)
542014 <<< Image shown below in this topic, MARKED 313, all numbers match.
542052
542215
542717 MARKED 313
542914

2nd Run (553001-554000) ALL MARKED "313"
533055
553044
553231
553376
553677
553734
553812

3rd Run (560001-561000) ALL MARKED "313"
560086
560089
560235
560935
560985

4th Run (571001-572000) ALL MARKED "313"
571004
571210
571215
571242
571605

5th Run (601001-602000) ALL MARKED "313"
601077
601790

6th Run (701001-702000) ALL MARKED "313"
701238
701768

7th Run (731001-732000) ALL MARKED "313"
731101
731258
731478
731605
731761

8th Run (756001-757000) ALL MARKED "313"
756340
756427
 
Posts: 1045 | Location: Denver, Colorado U.S.A. | Registered: October 08, 2004
IHC Member 537
Picture of Jeffrey Tibbs
posted
Thanks Frank

I thought something was up when I have seen so many marked watches. Thanks for all that is freely shared on the site.

Happy Holidays to all

Jeff
 
Posts: 167 | Location: Dublin, Ohio in the USA | Registered: June 04, 2005
IHC President
Life Member
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posted

Since some of the earlier postings, we re-wrote the South-Bend section of "Complete Guide to Watches" including Grade 313 listings and made some corrections, be sure to do a full review of what you will find in next year's watch guide. Wink

A recent topic "18s railroad watches?" got me going on the South-Bend Grade 313 so I updated Frank's post above, turning it and therefore this entire topic into a hopefully comprehensive 313 Database for additional interest. Take a moment to read that topic all the way through. The watch shown below was "Railroad Approved" and carried by my dad on the Bessemer and Lake Erie Railroad, the story of which is linked above and hopefully some of you may find it of interest.


Here is our marked 313 number 756427 from the final run...


 
Posts: 10505 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
posted
We have serial numbers:

542014
553055
560089
560235
571210
701238

Note the attached picture, it is a first run marked 313, so not all of the first run were unmarked. Barrel Cover serial number matches.

 
Posts: 1634 | Location: North Dakota in the USA | Registered: December 09, 2009
IHC President
Life Member
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posted

Thanks Jared!

Please confirm which of those listed in your post above are MARKED 313 and which (IF ANY) are UNMARKED AS TO GRADE as this in important to what will help establish the record on these movements and later this year will lead to our request for watch guide revisions to page 371 of the South-Bend Grade 313 listings and also upgrade Wink most of the others.

Lindell

Wink
 
Posts: 10505 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
posted
Lindell-

All of those I listed are marked... Been waiting to find an unmarked for a couple years and have yet to find one. Hopefully one of these days!
 
Posts: 1634 | Location: North Dakota in the USA | Registered: December 09, 2009
IHC Member 1365
Picture of Richard Romero
posted
I've got the following serial nunbers all marked "313"

553044
571242
701768

RR
 
Posts: 1373 | Location: Fremont, California in the USA | Registered: February 06, 2010
IHC Member 1377
posted
I have S/N 542717 which is Marked 313 Ted
 
Posts: 5 | Location: California in the USA | Registered: February 16, 2010
IHC Life Member
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Picture of John J. Flahive III
posted
731797 marked 313 on ebay.
 
Posts: 1749 | Location: Wisconsin in the USA | Registered: October 17, 2005
Picture of Ernie Loga
posted
I have number 756340. It is marked from run 8.
 
Posts: 910 | Location: Wisconsin in the U.S.A. | Registered: April 28, 2008
IHC Member 1301
posted
Ok I picked up one from the 6th run, marked with the sn 701381 with a dial that is labeled Pioneer Standard with Roman Numerals.

I will post pictures when it arrives
 
Posts: 1756 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
posted
1st Run (542001-543000) This run was once believed unmarked as to Grade (???)
542014 <<< Image shown above in this topic, MARKED 313, all numbers match.
542052
542215
542717 MARKED 313
542914

2nd Run (553001-554000) ALL MARKED "313"
533055
553044
553231
553376
553677
553734
553812

3rd Run (560001-561000) ALL MARKED "313"
560086
560089
560235
560531
560935
560985
560993 -updated from Gary's post from 6.12.2014

4th Run (571001-572000) ALL MARKED "313"
571004
571210
571215
571242
571605
571876

5th Run (601001-602000) ALL MARKED "313"
601077
601227
601355
601790

6th Run (701001-702000) ALL MARKED "313"
701238
701381
701768

7th Run (731001-732000) ALL MARKED "313"
731101
731258
731478
731605
731761

8th Run (756001-757000) ALL MARKED "313"
756340
756427 (Lindell's image above in this topic)

I updated our list with Claude's number and 3 of mine (2 watches are donors, one running).
update: added 601227

Rafal
 
Posts: 269 | Location: Wroclaw in Poland | Registered: May 06, 2013
IHC Member 1613
posted
I have one parts movement marked 313...#560993..Gary
 
Posts: 1774 | Location: Chesapeake City, Maryland in the USA | Registered: September 27, 2011
posted
I just noticed here is new number, updated our list, thx Gary
 
Posts: 269 | Location: Wroclaw in Poland | Registered: May 06, 2013
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