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Ball Advertising

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June 16, 2009, 23:55
Tom Brown
Ball Advertising
Found this

ad01

June 17, 2009, 00:02
Tom Brown
Another

ad02

June 17, 2009, 00:19
Tom Brown
One more for today

ad03

June 17, 2009, 00:46
Tom Brown
Ok, 3 more & then I quit

ad04

June 17, 2009, 00:46
Tom Brown
this

ad05

June 17, 2009, 00:47
Tom Brown
that

ad06

June 17, 2009, 08:25
Tom Brown
This is really an ad but it is a young Webb C. Ball.

ball

June 17, 2009, 13:21
Bill Kapp
Tom,

Thought I would add this ad

Another Trade in Ad

June 17, 2009, 14:52
Tom Brown
Thanks Bill, I ran across the same one later in the night.

Tom

ad07

June 17, 2009, 14:53
Tom Brown
Here are a few more

ad08

June 17, 2009, 14:55
Tom Brown
Next

ad10

June 17, 2009, 14:56
Tom Brown
Again

ad11

June 17, 2009, 14:57
Tom Brown
One more.

ad12

June 17, 2009, 15:38
Edward L. Parsons, Jr.
Interesting group of ads Tom, thanks for posting. I noticed the next to last with the list of brotherhood standards, omits the Order of Railroad Telegraphers.

I have often heard it said that no Ball watches with O of RT markings were ever made, and this ad would appear to confirm that.


Best Regards,

Ed
June 17, 2009, 17:31
Tom Brown
Ed

Thanks for pointing that out, I hadn't noticed that but I do recall the posts from you & others about that.

Here is the same add but laid out different & maybe more readable. It is from The Railroad trainman
By Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen Published by Brotherhood of Railroad Trainmen., 1898

Tom

trainman

June 17, 2009, 19:05
Tom Brown
Ed

I also found this article in Railway Master Mechanic Published by Simmons-Boardman Pub. Corp., 1900 Item notes: v. 24

However, it does say there was a ORT.
Tom

ball watches

June 17, 2009, 19:39
Bill Kapp
Tom,

As late as the 1902 Catalog, we see ad copy of watch designs (note the wavy 3's) that should have been sold in previous years. Either they were saving on redrafting ads or had lots of unsold inventory.

You show Rockefeller capital investing in late 18th century and we know there was a major reorginization in 1902 with the advent of the Ball Watch co replacing Ball and Co. .

Note that not only does the ad feature a ORT but it also offers and officall 999 standard. Both movements have never been seen but we have seen an offical 999 standard dial on Ball Hamilton #603. It would seem these two models got lost in the cracks.

You say this is a 1900 ad?

Thanks,

Bill
June 17, 2009, 20:30
Tom Brown
Bill

That was what was listed, here is the cover of the pub.

Tom

cover

June 17, 2009, 23:42
Tom Brown
This page is from Official Gazette of the United States Patent Office 1906, this shows the patents on several Ball dials but not the one we were talking about.

1906

June 19, 2009, 00:19
Tom Brown
Obit for Web C. Ball in The Railroad Telegrapher
By Order of Railroad Telegraphers 1922

obit

February 01, 2010, 12:59
Tom Brown
Ad from June 1, 1905 Railroad Telegrapher St. Louis Mo.

1905

February 01, 2010, 13:13
Tom Brown
Railroad Telegrapher - February 1, 1900, St Louis, Missouri

1900

February 01, 2010, 13:19
Tom Brown
Another article
Railroad Telegrapher - February 1, 1900, St Louis, Missouri

ORT

February 01, 2010, 16:08
Bill Kapp
Tom et al,

Ball also advertised nationaly for mail order items such as the Garfield spoon ad seen in July 1892 in Harpers and McBride's.

Must have sold a lot of them to make the ad worthwhile, if it was just a loss leader to get customers in the store he probably would have used local media.

Say what you want about ebay, but after I saw the ad, I started searching with keywords garfield spoon and found one fairly quickly. I can't imagine how long it would take me looking for it in old fashioned venues!

spoon pics

happy hunting


February 01, 2010, 17:45
Tom Brown
Neat Spoon Bill, I will have to look for one.

Tom
February 19, 2010, 14:43
Keith Klimkowicz
Hi All

Today I held the stamping plate which produced the AD for the Ball Watches, which depicts the train puffing smoke with a watch in the background. The same AD that Tom Brown post several post above this one(count up 13 posts). Amazing!!!!!

Regards

Keith
February 24, 2010, 20:55
Bill Kapp
Hi guys and gals,

Just found an 1899 BLE Journal Ad signed by Ball's Standard RR Watch co

BLE AD

My guess is that there was an initial thought that this company would market the Brotherhood watches along with the 999E and the 999F.

Fascinating stuff!

happy hunting,
February 24, 2010, 21:08
Tom Brown
Great Bill, I posted it if you don't mind.

Tom

01

February 24, 2010, 21:28
Bill Kapp
Thanks tom,

I didn't know how to copy it or if it could be copied.

I copied your pic tho and will add it to my chap 52 website.

happy hunting,
February 24, 2010, 21:43
Tom Brown
Bill

If you ever run across more like this or text from these magazines that you want just email me & I will do it for you.

Tom
February 24, 2010, 21:51
Bill Kapp
Tom,

What a guy! Thanks again,

Bill
March 03, 2010, 10:29
Keith Klimkowicz
Hi All

Here is the stamp for the ball add with the train on it.

Regards
Keith


March 03, 2010, 10:35
Keith Klimkowicz
The add from above posted by Tom Brown.