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Will replacing this Illinois private label dial be good or bad "Click" to Login or Register 
IHC Member 2267
posted
All,

I picked up a William Gibbons Illinois 117 RR grade only 220 made. I have a NOS case and hands.

I would like to know if replacing the private label porcelain dial with a mint Illinois dial will affect the value?


Best regards


RLVV


 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
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My take would be to get some denture toothpaste and a soft bristle toothbrush and do an initial cleaning. Then get some polydent type tablets and soak the dial, sometimes if the hairlines are dirty I use some type of foaming cleaner for tubs and such.
Private label dials set the watch off from the typical look but in the end it is a judgement call. I see mostly hairlines but no chips or missing pieces.
 
Posts: 1789 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
IHC Member 1338
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Robert; If movement is mkd same as dial you should keep the dial. Like Claude said, I too think that dial should clean up pretty good. Show us a pic of the movement


Tom Dunn...
TIME MACHINE
www.myrailroadwatch.com
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Posts: 3052 | Location: Ramsey, Illinois in the USA | Registered: December 15, 2008
Picture of Edward Kitner
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I agree with Tom, clean it and keep it!
I and others here have used Comet liquid/spray bottle type with great success.
I think you will be surprised with a cleaning!

 
Posts: 1488 | Location: New York State in the USA | Registered: March 04, 2008
IHC Member 2267
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Here is a picture of the back and it has the private label name on it.

Best Regards


RLVV


 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
IHC Member 1357
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Robert,clean the dial. I think you will be pleased.

Roger
 
Posts: 4088 | Location: Carbon, Texas in the USA | Registered: January 24, 2010
IHC Member 2267
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I am going to clean the dial. Smile

Forgot to ask what type of hands would be correct for this movement?

Thanks for the great advice, and I will post pictures of it when it is finished.

Best regards
Robert


RLVV
 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
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See how the current hands clean up, on PL fancy types moon hands were not unusual and look at some photos and see what the proper second hands his, I would think a thin, non bold type.Below is an example of a Getty type.

http://s.ecrater.com/stores/84...155386a6f_84347b.jpg

 
Posts: 1789 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
IHC Member 1338
posted
Keep those moon hands on Robert. They were probably original as Claude says. That second hand he showed you will work About anything except a bunn type with the spear that wouldn't be correct


Tom Dunn...
TIME MACHINE
www.myrailroadwatch.com
.
 
Posts: 3052 | Location: Ramsey, Illinois in the USA | Registered: December 15, 2008
IHC Member 2267
posted
Well this is what it looks like so far. I think I need to get the liquid Comet and soak it in that.


Thanks everyone for all of your help.


RLVV


 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
IHC Member 2267
posted
All,

What case should I use the one on the left or the NOS on the right?


Best regards


RLVV


 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
IHC Member 2267
posted
The back


RLVV


 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
Picture of Dave Turner
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Dial looks good!
I'd use the one on the left, FWIW.


Dave Turner
 
Posts: 1979 | Location: Wilson, North Carolina in the USA | Registered: November 15, 2011
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I agree with Dave the longer pendant is more time correct and how can you go wrong with a choo choo on the back
 
Posts: 1789 | Location: Michigan in the USA | Registered: September 19, 2009
IHC Member 1610
Picture of Harry J. Hyaduck Sr.
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I agree with all the advice you have gotten so far on the watch. All good sound advice from my point of view.

Harry
 
Posts: 3850 | Location: Georgia in the USA | Registered: September 22, 2011
IHC Life Member
Picture of Eugene Buffard
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What you have is a grade 177.
Very rare great find. I agree with the other members.
I added it to the 177 grade data base in the Illinois section.
 
Posts: 3323 | Location: Illinois in the USA | Registered: July 06, 2010
IHC Member 2267
posted
All,

This is the best place and thanks for all of your advice. I will post pictures of it once it is all put back together.

Best regards


RLVV
 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
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Could you post a couple of more "before and after" pictures of the dial after cleaning? It looks like it is really improved.
I have a couple of older Elgin porcelains that need cleaning, and I'm looking for what is considered the "Best" method that has the least potential for damage.


Robert Miller
Senior Paint Engineer
Toyota Manufacturing North America
 
Posts: 15 | Location: Olive Branch, Mississippi in the USA | Registered: November 12, 2018
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great job Robert ! I did a search on this site and there are a dozen pages on dial cleaning , the comet seems like the best
 
Posts: 1574 | Location: Maryland in the USA | Registered: June 04, 2015
IHC Member 2267
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Hello Robert D,

B4


RLVV


 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
IHC Member 2267
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After


RLVV


 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
IHC Member 2267
posted
Finished


RLVV


fin1
 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
IHC Member 2267
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Back


RLVV


fin2
 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
IHC Member 665
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Robert, you really have done the right thing by that beautiful watch. Congratulations and thank you for showing.
 
Posts: 209 | Location: East Melbourne, Victoria, Australia | Registered: December 31, 2005
IHC President
Life Member
Picture of Lindell V. Riddle
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Robert,

John said it well, you did it right and SAVED a very worthwhile example.

Truly a NICE combination!

Lindell

Wink
 
Posts: 10553 | Location: Northeastern Ohio in the USA | Registered: November 19, 2002
IHC Member 2267
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Thanks Lindell and John.

I love this forum.


RLVV
 
Posts: 178 | Location: Placentia, California in the USA | Registered: August 29, 2018
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